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I think that you will find that on SINGLE CARRIAGEWAY ROADS, there are less INCIDENTS where the speed limits are NSL than 30MPH.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Thank you for confirming the way you think, though that may not be quite the right word.

Not that I am a fan of political correctness, however the urge to group people by life choice or culture and treat them based on your perception of that group rather than as individuals is not acceptable.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Pedestrians are traffic, as much as bicycles and motor vehicles. In fact traffic light with pedestrian specific lights are the most culpable in preventing traffic movement at safe times. I couldn't count the number of times I have been presented with a red man at a PeLi Con when there isn't a vehicle with 100 yards. And it they usually change to green just as a vehicle arrives


Indeed. It was interesting that when the traffic lights failed in a small town near here recently there was little change in the vehicle flow but pedestrians were complaining that they had increased difficulty in crossing the road.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

By "other side" he means that the pedestrian has already crossed the lane in which he is riding and is walking away from the cycle. In these circumstances it isn't illegal to move forward behind the pedestrian as the law merely requires you to give priority to pedestrians who are on the crossing.


if the pedestrian on the "other side" is approaching the cyclist of course he should stop and give priority to the pedestrian who wishes to cross in front of him


Just because you don't fully understand the English language doesn't exempt you from the rule banning ad homienon attacks

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Back on topic, drove through Verwood today, and the torched camera has a red bag over it, with the words "not in use" on it...

That can't be weepy that Wildy's on about. I can't imagine him in Lycra and he has too much face fluff to be spotty......

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

On thee contrary - I have not called anyone in particular a spotty London oik in lycra" but likened the idea that not giving way to pedestrians or ignoring red lights to "save less than blink of eye in real time" has all the hallmarks of the loathsome London lout in lycra stereotype we are reading more und more of I am not saying I think weepy ist one such .. und I think he ist really mature enough to read through the tongue in cheek "sweeper" which perhaps show how much I embrace Northern cloth caps und clogs ..with a penchant for black puds und chips und fish. along with a blend of yodelling und cuckoo clocks ...

But seriously .. I am opposed to speed cam or any kind of robotic zombie as they do not deliver the realism of learning or the ethic of constant development of acquired skills. We know speed can fluctuate marginally on any one journey without compromising safety for all .. but a zero tolerance camera undermines this exisitng safety We also know that cameras only detect the speed .. but not necessarily the degree of "carelessness und for that reason .. I would be against FPN for careless.. but pro Plod recommend on DIS all the same ..

I would also think that as more take to bikes .. greater the requirement for legislation akin to Swiss legislation CTC claim "safety in volume". I say " greater the duty of care required in volume" .. which takes us back to the basis of GOOD MANNERS und COAST values if you like .., in all senses of IG's C

Unfortunately /. I post the unpallatable home truths at times... But if weepy offended . I apologise to him und risking "indiscretion" per our occasional pms .. I think he like und understand me anyway

For record graball .. In my mind'e eye und I trust weepy see funny side Hey .. he has a beard? Or stubble. I make Ted shave all that nonsense off. He look quite like Blackbeard's mate with stubble.. I insist he has smooth face to make whoopy here

But I see him as of medium height.. svelte und wiry in muscle honed/toned /. but wearing glasses und at work .. he would wear the "blazer or woolly with the leather elbow protectors" und eat peas und lentils in same way as John Major in Spitting Image - but like John Major .. quite a surprising "go-getter" on the quiet //. in terms of the "circus thing"

Honestly weepej.. I have visions of all posters. I am sure in reality - you are nothing like grey John .. but colourful und vibrant I trust you see this post as attempt to make you smile as I intend here...

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Sorry, you can't compare NSL roads with 30mph urban roads either. Little or no peds around in the former environment, (those that are around are generally mighty scared).

Of course, if you do want to compare them NSL country roads account for a massive percentage of crashes compared to the amount of traffic on them.

Wildy, it's not me condoning red light jumping on this thread, it's steve, graball, toltec, johnnytheboy etc...

I don't jump red lights myself, never have, and I always yield for peds on xings, and you won't find me riding on the pavement unless it's a shared path.

Er, yeah, I say you cannot be done for speeding on a push bike, because you can't (except in some royal parks that omit the word motor from vehicle when stating what can and what cannot exceed the speed limit).

You are right that you could be done for wanton an furious cycling (or occasionally wanton or furious driving if they want to lay a prison sentence on you), but not for exceeding the speed limit.

Ach Liebchen.. I just send yoy pm to apologise if you think I was not nice to you und I apologise anyway if that the case. I know you to be the cyclist und driver who care really care anyway.

You are cyclist to be beacon here .. I think you also drive as courteosly as ., und I try to make you smile here with home truth . but

spotty und stripey felines never change their spots nor stripes I am talking Leopards.. Jaguars.. ./. Cheetahs.. Tigers und WILDCATS

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

That's a bizzare reply: what part of my original statement is not true or indicates a predjudice to a particular mode of transportation?

I should add: only in specific circumstances. I certainly condemn anyone who automatically does it. It's almost always a if there are other road users on other phases.

Given the phasing of many lights, somewhat more than a mere "blink of an eye" is saved

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I actually had in mind a light controlled crossing.

Situation:

Light is on red, a ped clearly intended to cross from my left to my right:

I can break the law by:

Ignoring the stop signal and ride round them very close and fast
Ignoring the stop signal and ride round them very close and slowly
Ignoring the stop signal and ride round them fast giving them plenty of space
Ignoring the stop signal and ride round them slowly giving them plenty of space
Stopping to let the ped go, and as soon as they are out of my way continue even if the light is red

Or I can comply with the law by:

Stopping and wait until the red light is no longer showing before continuing (as long as the ped is off the crossing if it's flashing orange)


To everybody, which options are acceptable?

Ja Steve.. I know . ...


We wheel the bikes across or we ride "sidesaddle" und use as a skooter with a leg push ,, which appear to be legal back home as I did not "get done despite the gendarme who I did not see till halfway across . the rotter hid behind a sign.. I SMILED at him .. He waved at me .. I never heard any more This was normal lights. I would have been chased after had this been pelican ., so I tend to stop anyway or dismount und wheel across if I know a long red here I am legal if off saddle which mean I can stand on pedal with hand on bars .. push with foot .. und then mount again when legal again I manipulate the law perhaps here.. Oder?

But take my homeland which has some odd laws at times

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Whatever is compatible with the following (if none of the above, then none of the above):

Treat it as if you are on a non-controlled crossing, except you give everyone else priority and act like their phase just went green.

If you can be sure beyond doubt that no one else is at other phases or could be approaching them, then it may be safe to proceed (with caution of course), just like you would normally do when crossing a road without control lights.

You have to be able to do this otherwise you will not be able to function where there aren't any lights, or where the lights have malfunctioned.

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Ja. wwe have common sense. courtesy COAST in action on such occasion? We all lean to this as basic rubric.., but we know some need the reminder all the same So I we become the nasyt naggy on shoulder ., like that "old man of the sea" per Greek legend

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Weepy, the A/mvkms are far less on a rural Single carriage way (NSL) than an urban ones (30MPH) ....WHAT part of this DON'T you understand....YOU said incidents GO UP with increase in (average)speeds...they actually GO DOWN...If you don't believe me , try this link


http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/da ... in2004.pdf ....page 53

Urban roads 70, rural 25....big difference , don't you agree...????? Thats accidents/ 100 million vehiclesx kilometres travelled.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Do you think if you took a 30mph limit urban street and made it NSL and people started doing 50 or 60 down it the number of incidents would go down or up?

BUT that doesn't prove your statement, you are ASSUMING that raising a speed limit in an urban area will increase incidents BUT you said "plenty of evidence"....WHERE?

I'm PROVING, that roads with a higher average speeds have FEWER incidents....now YOU prove your case!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.