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http://news.aol.co.uk/middle-aged-worst ... 9170522132


http://news.aol.co.uk/middle-aged-worst ... 9170522132


http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/re ... 770?page=3



He may mean these .. the first two links to do with middle aged drinkers and the third one being a fairly controversial Dft research paper on the elderly driver (well controversial to the elderly driver anyway ) It's by no means a conclusive piece in any case. The research compared over 70s with middle aged drivers and found the elderly did perform worse overall. The paper tries to explain why. this may be so.


http://www.ghsa.org/html/issues/olderdriver.html


This is the USA version.



Or maybe he simply means this piece from our old pal "the "Waily Wail"


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... meras.html

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Ah...... would he like his parked car/garden wall/children to be struck by one though?

Maybe this poster should lobby his M.P. for the ANPR vans to be replaced with trafpol on the look out for "speeders" rather than people without tax/insurance etc or even better perhaps he will want to lobby for the total abolition of Tax/Insurance/MOTs?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

OR..he could be getting his official figures off our old friend Greenshed, the "official figure", mis-quote expert.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

How does that work to make the road safer? Surely drivers will be doing a perfectly legal 30mph no-flies-on-me creating a greater possibility of a child appearing from between the parked cars and getting run over. You are talking about speed, not what is actually safer.

I think I am a good driver because I haven't hurt or killed anyone in 30+ years or indeed had a prang of any kind, not because speed limits have protected me and others.

So do I, then you and your like will have to rethink your speed kills message when you find KSI are still prevalent. When that day comes you will of course just disappear like a fart in the wind rather than eat humble pie.

You know who knows exactly who is or isn't a safe driver? Insurance companies. I am what's known as a low risk for some strange reason. Could be that I'm a safe driver mind.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Well - you've certainly given me some food for thought.

Your suggestions are of course very welcome - but I should make clear that we DO NOT have a speeding/rat problem any more. The problem has been solved without the LA or traffic police, or indeed cameras. We have no intention of fixing something that is not broken and intend to carry on as we are going.

Big Tone - only an idiot would drive past parked cars a 30mph - this is just the type of behaviour that gets drivers a bad name, its called speeding (speed within the limit that is inappropriate). Our experience is that parked cars force drivers to slow down.

Graball - the majority of houses here have huge half-moon drives, so presently they drive in and out. Your idea for stopping (when there is a car following, of course) and backing into drives is what my son would call a "corker". Thanks, this will be added to our list of traffic calming behaviours.

In Gear - thanks for your advice which we shall not be following. I find it difficult to believe that a police officer would frequent a site like this and rather worrying. You're not really a cop are you? I mean you directed me to the PH web site!!!

And no offence was meant to Mr Smith or any of his relatives. I merely pointed out that elsewhere on this site he boasted about being driven at 90mph in a 30mph limit. if you are a police officer do you have a view on this.

Wow what a strange village, 120 houses on three lanes and the MAJORITY with half moon drives...what an imaginitive village......

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Next you will be telling us that all your cars have the "speed kills" stickers in the back windows, that died out in the late 90's, (round our way anyway when people started to realise that "speed" didn't actually kill.)

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

With respect, you have completely missed my point Sam.

You can park a thousand extra cars to restrict the traffic flow and/or speed, but if I were to pass down your road I would, (here I go again for the millionth time!), use an appropriate speed for the conditions.

Given what you have told us, I should say if I were to pass down your road you would not even notice me. Why? Because I would pass through your road at between ~10 to 20 mph AND at that time I would not be doing certain things: -

The radio = Dangerous
The A/C = Dangerous
Looking at whinging little Johnny in the back seat = Dangerous
Answering my mobile phone which, FYI, cameras DON’T measure!!! = Dangerous!
Imbibed one or two drinks which, FYI, cameras DON’T measure!!! = Dangerous!
Smoked a certain something which, FYI, cameras DON’T measure!!! = Dangerous!
Eyesight not so good? Doesn't matter! FYI cameras don't measure it!!! = Dangerous!

I don’t see you talking about anything else other than speed which, although is an important contributory factor to the severity, is NOT targeting bad drivers and driving. Why Sam?

Love Tony

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

... and now we have the statement that sheds light on the others.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Well I also have my doubts whether InGear is a policeman. Indeed I have doubts whether he is human. And similar doubts about MadMoggie and WildCat. Their posts have all the characteristics of a very well developed but not quite perfected 'bot, one which would not quite pass the Turing test.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Well suprise, suprise, you don't think that out "good" driver (and perfect human being)Sam could actually be Greenshed do you????

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Right .. I have done a couple of things this morning.

1. I have pm'd dcb over his ad homimen post.

2. I have done something I have never done nor ever needed to do on this board before.. I have formally reported the comments made.


Now back to "Good Driver??? Sam"

1. Good drivers do not deliberately block roads nor create further danger at blind spots

2. I think this is the guy who had some forum or web site about "speeders" which someone linked to this board for discussion in the past. He was as incoherent in his posts then when the late Paul banned him as he is now.

3, as regards the comment about IG "referring him to PH". His comment suggested to look up posts me and Wildy made in the past ... about COAST

As regards that site.. police post to it. We passed comment on the fact one claims to "train cops" but manages to make 20 posts per day. It takes time to read and then reply as we all know.. so ..

We also got into an argument with a truckload of cops over there at one point. OVER KELLETT - local ish tragedy which took the life of a pensioner and seriously injured his wife. The officers drove dangerously and someone died. Police on that site defended them and even when one was convicted of careless driving and my wife pointed out that his hard punishment would be meted out by his employer - and it WAS! .. The attitude was that the "police disciplinaries require less evidence than the court and he still did not deserve what equates to a life long ban on professional driving" Oh,,, they were driving at well over the ton on a rural twisty with village schools .. blind dips and blind bends. Did not matter how many times and how many photos/videos you showed them - these "Officers" all claimed their "training made them safe" IG - genuine professional article - never posts that kind of tripe. Because we pointed out that police have a duty of care to selves and public - when on duty - we were accused of being "anti-bib" as I recall. The other factor is that these officers apparantly learned nothing from this tragedy. During the investigation - one of them was done and banned for 90 mph on a rural by N Yorks plod/mags. Again - the attitude was one of blind defence of this singularly stupid man - and we were again accused of being "anti bib" for stating the blinkin' obvious

Oh there are other examples of PH Bib supporting "speeding willy nilly for themselves" - ranging from a defence of Pc Milton (80 in a 30 mph) .. to defence of the guy who killed the 16 year old in Newcastle.. and countless others which oddly enough - the great Geared Up one managed to give a fairly objective view in which he could not and would not condone but did remark that those officers were human beings who would feel the same guilty trauma for a lifetime all the same.

Note .. we do not suggest speeding willy nilly and we certainly do not drive at whatever speed wwe want to either. All our posts to date have tried to encourage COASTR.. safe driving practice and we have referred to the Highway Code as constant. But I suppose to some .. that makes us seem "not human" Well tough titty.. some of us have actually read and try to put good practice into practice. if you had lived through what I did live through when the guy nearly killed Wildy - then you fucking welll would!

To Good Driver Sam.. stop trolling. I for one do not believe anyone is as daft as you are currently posting yourself as being.

If you plant foliage which obscures vision .. you can be ordered to cut it down or face a council bill if you fail to do so. For insurance purposes - if you claimed your car was kept in garage or driveway and it then gets damaged on the road .. then this will affect NCB and may even be at odds with the small print of your policy. Thus you may leave youur car on the road. I doubt if your neighbours really do. I would not be dicated to by some busybody like you appear to be per your post anyway.

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Please play nicely folks.

Any more off topic posts will be removed.

Off topic .. maybe .. but I want folk to know dcb and me have resolved a misunderstanding and as I made it public issue this morning that I had complained.. I make it public that we have chatted off line and we are all back to pals

I guess I misunderstood his post when half awake and at mercy of Vrenchen's still post natal prickles Apologies to dcb for not reading him properly I think we are back to normal pals anyway ...

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If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

Indeed . A poor joke on my part and a gracious apology from MM.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Hey .. we are still pals and all pals here.

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If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

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IG .????



But I guess drivng to Highway Code requires some robotic frame of mind

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If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

Big Tone – I’m not sure I have missed your point, but forgive me if I have. You write: “You can park a thousand extra cars to restrict the traffic flow and/or speed, but if I were to pass down your road I would, (here I go again for the millionth time!), use an appropriate speed for the conditions.

Surely this statement illustrates the success of our actions? The parked cars have forced drivers in our village to use an appropriate speed, they have slowed down – our methods have been 100% successful in achieving this. Other drivers appear to have gone back to using the main roads built for and intended for the journeys they take.

You go on: “Given what you have told us, I should say if I were to pass down your road you would not even notice me. Why? Because I would pass through your road at between ~10 to 20 mph AND at that time I would not be doing certain things”

And you would be most welcome. Others, the majority, have not been so considerate. The result of our actions is that all drivers now drive in the way you describe – but only because they have been forced to.

As for other dangerous behaviours, claiming speed cameras do not detect non-speeding offences is like claiming that a breathalyser cannot tell if someone has been speeding or that paracetamol should be scrapped because it doesn’t cure cancer. It is a non argument. The clue is in the description: “Speed Cameras”. They are not designed to do anything but detect speed above the limit, that is what they are for and that is what they do very well. You may not be aware that Kent Police have adapted speed cameras and are using them to detect mobile phone users. I understand other police areas are watching with interested. I would hope that this is a development that anyone concerned about road safety would approve of.

Our village are not only concerned with speed, but it is by far the most pressing issue and the behaviour that attracts the most complaint and causes the most upset. Mobile phone use is also a worry and has been observed and reported to the police who do not appear interested, also litter disposal from cars is a problem, but I will not go into that as it is not really road safety related.

Graball – thanks for another great laugh! I wish I had your knowledge of English villages, but then I have never driven a post office van around Wales, so what do I know? Our village may sound odd to you, but it really isn’t that unusual. I suppose you would call it stockbroker belt country, rural in nature, completely encased by countryside, 10 miles from the nearest town and without any A or B routes running through.

The trouble is the parked cars make the road worse. If the road was clear of parked cars it would be safer to travel faster because there are less hazards. As it is the parked cars are potentially hiding kids crossing from between them and doors opening etc. so the travelling public now have to go slower. You may think it safer, but is now more dangerous.

Now another thing to think about is other road users. I live and work in the same village. We have parked cars on the side of the road, and it is normally at around this time of the year when I start considering hiring a Cat D11 and pushing the flippin' lot of them into a big heap and setting them on fire. You want to try threading over 20 tonnes of tractor and trailer through a village when most of the road is blocked with parked cars. I mean imagine that, tractor drives through village shocker!

I have told my local copper my opinions of speed cameras and if there is any threat of a lower limit or blocking the road in my village they will get some words of advice from me.