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I'm putting this here for those that are interested and I'm only putting the link. As you could say it refers to religion, don't read it and then complain after. I don't know how true this is but it might give some an idea as to what is going on in our world today.

The Gods of Eden

If the mods want to delete it, by all means do so, as it can be viewed on the David Icke forums under the News behind the News thread. I just think it's about time people start waking up and realising whats going on. If it's not true is might still get you all thinking.

Take care all
Dixie

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

There’s half an hour I’ll never get back.

I think I’d rather read The God Delusion again thanks.

Hope you’re well Dixie?

Take care bud

Luv

Tone

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Hi Tony,

I’m very well thanks (and thanks for asking), although I have just had the Flu (maybe it was SW1 NE flu?).

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, just like on these forums, and just because people start searching for reasons and asking questions, doesn’t mean they are delusional. Have you ever wondered why the world is like it is and how it will end up if it carries on the way it is?

I’ve never really been into religion myself and still don’t believe in it, it causes more wars than anything else on this planet, however I have become interested in the Bible, as I’m questioning whether or not it’s God’s word (or has it been tampered with over the years). That’s the trouble with society as you know it; you have all been led down the garden (Eden) path. Nobody bothers to question what is going on, you are too tied up with questioning speed cameras, and road safety.

Have you ever thought what will happen if you become a nation (or world) of slaves? You certainly won’t have to worry about road safety then? But (in my opinion) with God’s help it won’t happen, you have to have faith in something.

It’s my belief that we are in the Revelation, but only time will tell, you may get a surprise in the near future.

Take care and Luv to you.
Dixie

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i can't beleive the daily mail missed out on reporting the rapture !

Oh I’m not my friend, trust me. I make time for SS and many other things besides.

I’m off today to see a young brave man in hospital, a Marine, back from the war. He’s been shot in the neck, completely severing the spinal cord at C5/6. I won’t go into any more detail but please believe me when I say I am probably more in touch with the real world and what life is really about than most, and I don’t mean that as a boast.

I have so much respect and admiration for him and now his life has all but come to an end, certainly as he knew it and for his family. It gets me down I can tell you - big time!!!

So that’s what will be filling my day and who I will be thinking of. If I thought prayer would help I’d get on my knees without hesitation. But it won’t and never will, other than a morale boost.

Sometimes I write here about my personal experiences and what I think of the Government and I’m sure I get on peoples tits for doing so sometimes, but it’s who I am. I sometimes quietly weep at night as I reflect on the pain, misery and suffering I know is out there.

Sometimes I go to churches and cathedrals where I think about these things and much much more, but I’m not praying and no-one’s listening.


So you see you may not know me as well as you think but that’s okay. However, I may have been to ‘places’ you haven’t. I care about you and if you ever pop back to England maybe we can have that pint we never got around to having.

More Luv

Tony

P.S. I think it’s rather disingenuous to say “you are too tied up with questioning speed cameras, and road safety.” This is not a small problem! For many it’s a life changing, or ending, event.

There is a war on our roads, which no-one declared, and the only thing our dear benevolent Government are prepared to do is flood our land with something which is completely ineffective at making bad drivers drive safer and works better at making money than saving lives.

They are playing a very sick game.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Do you know ,Tone , I believe there is a great similarity between the arguements for going into Iraq ,with all the hysteria about WMD ,and the hysteria about speed being the WMD on Britain's roads .
There is also a great similarity about the simplicity of the arguements on both counts ,and the cure .In fact ,the more I think about it ,the more similarities i see - perhaps the common item is this present shower of nanny charlatan politicians,who keep telling us that they know best -and then one Ms Smith telling us she don't feel safe walking in certain areas -well she certainly know best -just like the rest of us .
Years ago ,the Tories came up with a slogan "Labour's not working" - strange how today it seems all to familair .

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Absolutely spot-on Botach; that's how I see it.

Maybe some clever clogs will come up with the idea of New Conservative although I strongly suspect they don't have to in order to win the next general election. Maybe the one after that.

Hmmm.. It would be abbreviated to New Con. Now that would be more appropriate.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Yeah! New (old Con) labour camps?

Take care all
Dixie

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Strangely enough , was walking the dog today in an area recognised by all parties as "socially deprived "-Ive got a (IMHO)BETTER description ,but that's not for posting .Strang thing is that this area has now got a lot of new housing and fenced in green areas -ideal for letting the dog loose.
Anyway - suddenly I heard xmas songs ,looked round and there was a 7.5 ton wagon with BMP on the side ,spouting xmas music .Don't know what to make of it ,apart from the fact that today was switch on day for local lights and this area has a BMP councillor -who has faced a lot of opposition to his existance from other parties .What I haven't heard is same truck round my area ,which also has second BMP man - but he's been accepted by his opposite number . (a true gent on the political scene,and someone who would defend his counterparts right to speak )
Suspect local papers will fill in details .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Hi, I'm new on here, coming from more aware and awake forums,
find it interesting that people are still discussing religion and politics
as though they were Real things.

Someone mentioned New Conservative - BNP - et al .....Religion
as though there was one whit of differance between them.

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Dave ~ Freeman on the Land
http://www.freemanhighland.co.uk/
A paradigm shift in law and politics

Well, that's not the best introduction to a forum but okay. I think you'll find there's quite a few very "aware" and "awake" people here, but maybe I misunderstood you.

I confess I don't normally get involved in religious debates but sometimes if it's in-my-face I'll grasp the nettle as I don't like to see the other side get away with preaching to the world about how great and good 'their brand' is. I've never heard of an atheist suicide bomber.

As for politics? Whether we like it or not we are all governed so not to take an interest in it would be remiss IMHO.



Tony

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the welcome I'm not very good at intros.

Quote: "Whether we like it or not we are all governed"

NO Sorry Tony heres the rub. I am not governed. I am sovereign.

and thats the differance between us.

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Dave ~ Freeman on the Land
http://www.freemanhighland.co.uk/
A paradigm shift in law and politics

Should I have said ruled or controlled instead? If you feel you are not, try doing 140 mph down the M6 and see what happens.

In the words of Dick Emery, "you are awful but I like you". Unfortunately I've got to attend to my flooded lean-to now but I can't wait to see where this is going...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

"Should I have said ruled or controlled instead? If you feel you are not, try doing 140 mph down the M6 and see what happens."

Hope your flooded lean-to is OK now.

According to my understanding travelling at 140 mph down the M6 or any other road is not a crime.

Common Law requires harm or loss for a crime to have been commited.
Statute and Acts are not law but rules created and which you have accepted.
Your governmet has created over 3000 new Statutes and Acts since TBliar came to power.

What brought me to this place was seeing people saying they have been fined for what they believe are crimes.

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Dave ~ Freeman on the Land
http://www.freemanhighland.co.uk/
A paradigm shift in law and politics

What about intent? What if someone tries to commit a crime but somehow fails?
What about risk?


There is a difference between a technical infringement done safely and with consideration and without risk (or possibly intent), and doing "140mph ... on any ... road". In this case, I suspect your views won't be shared by many on this forum.
NOTES FOR SELF:Wow, that's brave of you!
Are you really happy to let drivers pilot cars/trucks around you and your 'nearest and dearest' whilst being absolutely blotto?xxxxxLet me ask another question.xxxxxSay your family bumped into an armed rapist/druggie in the street and they wanted to do terrible things to you and your 'nearest and dearest'. They aim and pull the trigger but luckily the gun jams - no harm done! Would you really shrug it off and say "so what, it was only attempted murder" because no harm came from it yet you’ll all live in fear for your lives knowing the near-criminal is likely to strike again, possibly seeking you?xxxxxOr,xxxxxWould you and your family want the perpetrator tracked down and their freedom curtailed such that you can all live without fear of being killed by them, as well as having a clean conscience knowing that no one else can fall foul of them?xxxxxNow ordinarily I would have thought those questions would be a no-brainer, but I find myself wondering how you will respond…

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"In this case, I suspect your views won't be shared by many on this forum."

I suspect not. The free exchange of views is rarely without controversy,
might is right, according to most.

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Dave ~ Freeman on the Land
http://www.freemanhighland.co.uk/
A paradigm shift in law and politics

No It's nearly dry, and then there's the floor rebuild etc. etc.

Okay, I’m sure you have been down this path many many times before and maybe I’m boxing above my weight, but I’ll give it one more shot...

Are we not just talking semantics? Crime or not the outcome is the same. If not then try it for yourself and post here as a test case of how you would change the outcome?

If you end up in a prison, as indeed you would for doing twice the legal speed limit, you would serve time at Her Majestys Pleasure regardless of what label you choose to use.*

Let’s look at the dictionary definition of a crime. I’ll just pick the salient parts: -

1. an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited.
2. criminal activity and those engaged in it: to fight crime.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crime

And now the idea behind a prision: -

1. A place for the confinement of persons in lawful detention, especially persons convicted of crimes.
2. A place or condition of confinement or forcible restraint.
3. A state of imprisonment or captivity.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prison


So it seems to me that whether you want to call it a crime or chopped liver, and if indeed you are right that it somehow isn't a crime, the fact is the outcome would still be the same so I don't understand where you're coming from and what you hope to acheive? A rose by any other name etc. Do you have diplomatic immunity or something?

If you want to 'up' your credibility then maybe give the motorway thing a try, (safely), and post it here as a test case. Or show how it has been done from a tried and trusted reliable source. I can't guarantee that I'll persue this for too long but maybe you'll indulge me one more time, for my edification

*Not everyone of course, but he was testing a car

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Survival of the fittest may have got us here, but modern society had demanded that no one be presented with needless risk or pain and that we reject sociopathic and selfish attitudes.
Society has called for people to be prosecuted for intent of crime (e.g. attempted murder) or presenting unwarranted risk (e.g. drink driving). No one (except lawyers) will come to your aid if you've been driving on public roads whilst 6 times over the limit, even if there was no "harm or loss".

A question for you: should those who willingly drive whilst knowingly many times over the alcohol limit, but didn't crash, not face prosecution?

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NO. No harm. No crime.
Thought crime is being used today. There are people in the UK imprisoned [tagged] for Thought Crime.
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Modern "Society" has demanded that you reject sociopathic and selfish attitudes.
Luckily I am not a member of that "Society"

What I am presenting here are MY beliefs as a human being, not a member of society.
If the UK is a FREE Society, one is able, as I have done, leave that society.

I know this is a very difficult concept for most people. I suspect you or most people on this forum are even aware of the concept or the paradigm shift which that entails.

I am not sociopathic as mentioned above but Freemanism is often construed as selfish attitudes. Putting ones self and ones nearest and dearest FIRST is the highest form of life I believe. "Society" drags one down with taxes to pay for those less able but more usually to pay for the strongest. i.e. The Bankers and the Politicos.
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Dave ~ Freeman on the Land
http://www.freemanhighland.co.uk/
A paradigm shift in law and politics

There seems to be some confusion here. That's entirely my fault, my question should have been clearer; I needlessly left a negative in there which might have confused things.

Let me ask in a clearer way: should those who willingly drive whilst knowingly many times over the alcohol limit, but didn't crash, face prosecution?

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Views expressed are personal opinions and are not necessarily shared by the Safe Speed campaign