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Don't know if this is local to Central TV ( or if more local than that ), but there's an ad "POLICE PLEDGE" on at the moment pledging that from now on Beat Officers ( now is thar CBO's =POLICE OFFICERS or Police officials =PCSO ??) -will spend at LEAST 80% of their time on the beat .

Could someone in the know clarify .

And just so that I know how to recognise a "Beat Officer " -how about a photo of a CBO ,if they are to be REAL police constables

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

There does seem to be a move toward minimal trained members of the public with just a few weeks training, now to receive similar authority as a fully trained Police Officer ! I think this is money badly spent for 'less than a Full Police Officer' or Policing on the cheap.
Does their website have any piccys?

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IN A SINGLE WORD - NO -it's part of a Central TV(AND THAT'S ON TELLY) Promotion called POLICE PLEDGE .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

OK Well Greater Manchester Police show :
Here PCSO's
and Here - Special Constables
Both imply they have the same powers as 'regular police' but if the regular police are now PCSO's or SC then do we still assume the prior fully trained officers ?

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OK Now Found A full Pledge List here
Times Online has an article about the roll out of Police Pledges here

I have dug this out too :

Which came from here : http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/crime.aspx
and this link Here show's PCSO's and as it states PC Plod not PC Zoom !

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NO ONE has authority or power over you unless you acceot their demands.

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A paradigm shift in law and politics

Ok so let's say hypothetically then that a traffic policeman stops you for going over the posted limit and wants you to submit all your documents ... how many can you produce, what outcome might you expect when you cannot produce them and what happens in Court ? I assume that as you state that you have 'a' License then they have your address so they will come round and possibly send you back to Court of jail - then what ?
Or is it a case of you go free until the Courts 'hold you in contempt' and then they deal with you ?
(ALL hypothetically of course) Just want to know how far you can take your stand point in the face of the Law .... ?

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It is a requirement of law that you have to carry your driving licence with you when driving.
If you do not have this then they will issue you with a notice to produce same within 7 days at a police station. Any.
Ditto for MOT and insurance
Those with intelligence, in these days of pnc and mid checks, will carry a copy of their insurance certificate with them (not the policy, the CERTIFICATE) in case (due to problems) the insurance is not on the MID database (and if you are driving a vehicle for which you are not the named driver). The police **WILL** impound your vehicle, or at least not let you continue driving it, if you cannot produce some sort of checkable insurance. Due to the many problems with the insurance database (not least that any renewal or change can take several days to be entered) the industry has a dedicated phone line that the police are required to check with IF you can display some sort of insurance.
As for PCSO They have the same powers of arrest as a citizen. They have "authority" to hold you for 30 minutes until a uniformed police constable arrives.
For the rest, read THIS

Specials: The same powers as full-time police.

Please note....I have stated above that you should carry your insurance certificate. If you do not, then at least carry a mobile phone to get someone to pick you up.
Please remember the (police, camera-action) where the family was forced to walk along the hard shoulder (mother, father, children) where their vehicle was not shown as insured.....

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

No it is not. The Police are entitled to ask to see your licence at any time and if you do not have it immediately, you will be ordered to produce it to a Police Station within 7 days. Failing to produce within that period of time is another offence, even if you do actually hold a licence.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

More time on the beat ?
I think not

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

OK- I think ( and hope enough time has gone by for this to be forgotten about .) --but a few years ago we ( I as secretary of a Residents Association , and my friend ,as Chairman of same Association ,) got a visit from one of our beat officers . He was totally stressed out - having arrested on of our local yobs climbing out of a house window in our street . Not the first time that week . But the beaks keep on giving him bail , not remand .

After a lot of complaints/letter writing we get some answers . But nicest of all - the same young gent ( to get all PC) was picked just after that ,coming out of a front room window( by same PC - so it made his day) - and magistrate puts him on remand .(and that made his day even better). All cases to be considered . He was sent to an official premises for more than a fewweeks. Our local PC was delighted ,but still decided that he wanted to transfer to Traffic .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Above edited somewhat.

It may be a requirement of the "law" that you have to carry your driving licence with you when driving.

I have not consented to this "law".
As for PC's, PCSO & Specials they have NO POWER over me UNLESS I consent to their "power over me". I have no power over you unless you permit me to have.

These fictions that people in uniforms or big hats has been going on for a thousand years
but now the fiction is exposing its self as a scam. The powers that be mearly wish control of all the worlds people and the worlds wealth.
It starts from the humble PSCO and goes to the very top of the heap.

Getting colder.

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Dave ~ Freeman on the Land
http://www.freemanhighland.co.uk/
A paradigm shift in law and politics

As said (by someone else) it is not a legal requirement that you carry it with you when driving (sorry)....however the police can ask you to produce it....if you cannot they can stop you driving if they wish...or they can ask you to produce it later.
As to whether they have authority over you....you can play idiots if you wish...but they'll just arrest you (for which they do not have to have much of a reason anymore. With respect to the first part (driving licence) it would be reasonable for a police officer to arrest you if you could not produce it AND he had reason to suspect you had not given the correct name/address.
You can argue the semantics of your free-person rights....they will sound very hollow from inside an arrest suite. And who gives a **** anyway ?

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

if you do not have your license on you - they are highly likely but not always, ask you to show it within 7 days to a Police Station of your choice. They have clear guidelines to act by and only if you are driving illegally, and cannot alter immediately (buy insurance for example) may they potentially seize your vehicle and 'stop you driving'. They must act within the Law. If they do not think that you have a license and there is doubt they will investigate immediately. If you are on record as owning a license, (etc) then if all else is fine will 'allow' you to carry on.

Where Taxtaxtax states that he says nothing - I cannot see how this will prevent a detention or possible arrest if one's paperwork is not in order. If you fail to help an officer, by not giving them your name and address then they may arrest you. Simply failing to answer will not prevent you from being detained for further questioning etc. I do appreciate though that you do not have to say anything and you have a right not to. It just seems like a lot of effort and masses of wasted time to go to than just tell them your name and address. I don't have that time to waste to make a point in life, if it is 'made' anyway. If you carried a card perhaps (TTT) that stated your name and address and that you believe in 'X' etc then that may deal with it more efficiently and tell others of your life choices.
Now take for example the Sspca or Rspca where they have NO authority any more than I would visiting someone's property and trying to demand things, then yes I agree they cannot 'do' anything unless a Policeman with all appropriate paperwork in order (literally) is in attendance. They (Rspca / sspca) are often of the concept, that think they can go about intimidating and upsetting many 'normal' people, where they (nowadays) seem to prosecute first, than advise and heaven forbid actually really help ! Then yes you can ignore and not reply and they cannot do anything, unless a Law is clearly broken, then the Police arrive and can act. However there is a growing and very worrying trend that our Laws are being altered now so that IF there is 'danger' to animals, the Law states that they can take an animal away. Now you might think this sounds, OK and think about animals in appalling conditions - well that is fine - but they are beginning to act when there are non 'true' dangers eg. someone had a brand new cow shelter not a horse shelter, (for a horse) - they claimed a danger !
Bit off topic but, it is a good example of how those that truly do not have power, appear to have powers that they do not possess, and how there are Laws which anyone could obtain and apply. I do not like the way that the sspca or rspca act like animal police without any real justification.
Knowledge is power, has always been true, but seems more necessary now than previously.
I agree there is too much stick, than carrot.

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Given the amount of law now in force think you will find that refusing to give details is more trouble than it is worth.
The terrorism laws, the serious crime laws and the regulation of investigatory powers law...
But who cares ?
If you do not carry your licence one hopes you carry some other sort of id.....because if you get snotty and you cannot provide some sort of proof that you are who you say....you face arrest.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I *think* that you cannot be 'arrested' for not providing your details but they can detain you.... to be arrested they have to believe that you have or may have committed a crime. And again if procedures are not correct then they face releasing someone, so they try to always get it right.

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Just seen your reply,Claire -it's on Telly (certainly in Central region ),can't remember channel -wondered if it was being advertised anywhere else .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I haven't seen anything about it but then I may not ... !
Having visited their main website on the issue I probably have a good idea now on the main points. But what did you glean from the advert ?

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Photographers are getting annoyed also
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... snaps.html

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