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did anyone else see this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rsery.html

It was on the telly yesterday. Don't do as I do and all that lot

It's OK, he was in a Toyota, with a stuck accelerator!!

There's an exemption for that.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Pity it wasn't an exploding car, we would have got rid of the * * then

Oy- the Brown that uses that title is (IMHO) a very funny man ( some might say a bit crude ,but that's Teeside humour)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I can fully appreciate and understand the need for MrB to try and arrive on time, but like all of us when we are running behind we have to simply cope with the rules of the Land as requested by MrB for the good of us all.

No matter how expert all the escorting officers (drivers/riders) are, considering how much 'arm waving' was necessary shows just how little attention road users were paying, and just how very dangerous SPECS systems effect all road users.
SPECS have nothing to do with road safety, they tire road users into a zombie-like state becoming clearly evident when they tailgate, bunch up, show little attention to the road conditions and surrounding activities, however the distraction caused to ensure speed compliance, with regular & frequent requirement to check speed and cameras to remain legal adds to the unsafe environment created.

For the PM to consider this hypocritical manoeuvre is just disgusting and IMO shows the potential contempt and dis-respect that he must have for the public.

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Surely on of the tenants of these forums is that the individual driver should be allowed to make her own decision about the safe speed for the circumstances. If these police trained drivers, who are not - in an emergency - required to obey speed limits, judged that 60mph was safe then where is the problem?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Was this an emergency?

And surely the point is that people in positions of authority should set an example when they demand absolute compliance with speed limits from ordinary folks.

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I could not agree more, however the individuals in this case would have been fined for doing this and the bloke who makes the rules does has he pleases.

The hypocrisy!

Either it's "for a reason" or it isn't "for a reason"?

They were speeding and we're constantly told that speed kills. Weepej holds this view as an immutable fact, as I understand?

The logical conclusion, therefore, is they were prepared to kill people.

Correct Weepej?

BTW. Speeding and riding with one arm on the handlebars Tut tut

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

This is my opinion (note my sig):

You are correct, but as SafeSpeedV2 said: "we have to simply cope with the rules of the Land", which is reasonable, but is the usage of those rules reasonable?

There wasn't an emergency, so "If it was deemed safe, would it then be safe for everyone to drive through at 60 mph and why is there a 50 mph limit?" which I think is a bloody good question.

This action was needless (no emergency), so they either posed a needless risk by travelling at 60 (abuse of position), or there was no risk (abuse of limit setting).

Today's limits, being set at the lowest common denominator, robs drivers of the ability to judge the safe speed for the circumstances.

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Of course. A politician was late for an appointment. What greater emergency can you envisage?


Has Gordon Brown actually made a public statement demanding absolute compliance with speed limits? Do you condemn him for taking the advice of the traffic police?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Not implying or comparing our BIB to certain animals in Animal Farm ( would suggest that those with noses in ( the expenses row)trough fit the bill ) --it looks like a case of "Some animals are more equal than others"

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I think they are a bunch of Cheatahs myself.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

But unlike their animal counterparts they change their spots to suit the occasion .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Really - getting to a school PR is an emergency - I have to disagree. The school for young children can easily wait.
Peter is right we have to know that those in authority use their powers proportionately and this was not one of those occasions, so it was abused. He chose to do something deliberately when everyone else is unable to.
The fact that the Police bikers had to wave their arms to enable people to move over tends to imply that it was not 100% safe, due to inattention because of the SPECS.
The highway Code exists so that all road users know what they should, and should not do and compliance with the speed limit is one.
When speed limits are set below the expected or necessary rate they become widely questioned as is happening. This highlights this issue perfectly.
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There is little doubt in my mind that the convoy drivers had additional training specifically to that task, and were acting as something of a hive mind under the guidance of a trained convoy supervisor. I'd only be surprised if the speed of the convoy had been selected by G. Brown himself, instead of the convoy supervisor. This - an educated guess - is because G. Brown either cannot drive, or hasn't driven in so long, that the former assertion may as well be true.
Either way, an entire convoy of vehicles driving at a speed above the posted speed 'limit' just because some guy was late for an appointment - as opposed to, say, the commission of a crime in progress, or the prevention of same - is prima facie evidence that the posted speed 'limit' has been set too low (not to mention G. Brown's hubris).

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1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
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