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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 22:43 
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A while ago, I posted on here about the obsession of my local Parish Council with "speeding in the village". I have written to them on various occasions and here is my last missive from January:

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Dear Clerk to Parish Council,

I am writing to you once again about the seeming obsession of the PC with vehicle speed in the village as I note that the Meeting Notes of 10th December report that all the PC members agreed to proceed with Community Speedwatch. I assume that all the members already know that these practically ineffectual schemes are the constabulary’s method of appeasing local activists who continually make complaints about alleged "speeding" in their area.

The PC needs to consider the issues relating to the following:

- As, by your own admission, only persistently detected "speeders" are likely to have any further action taken against them, these will probably be local people regularly travelling through the village. Will the operators of the scheme be willing to "shop" their neighbours and tolerate the attendant bad feeling that this will produce? Remember that anyone reported is likely to know the operator (and where they live).

- If an operator spots both Mrs Smith and Mrs Brown over the limit but Mrs Brown is their best friend, would they report both miscreants without fear or favour? My point is that these schemes are open to favouritism and unfairness.

- Suppose an operator has a dispute with one of their neighbours. A few false reports of them speeding would be a good way to get back at them wouldn’t it? These schemes are doomed to decay into a morass of disputes and injustices.

Experience with these schemes shows that they are started by one or two locals with "axes to grind" but soon peter out due to lack of interest and support. I urge you not to get involved in this pointless folly and spend more time pressing to get the large potholes in the main road repaired. This would be a service more useful to the general community.


The latest news is that they have had a speed survey carried out which only showed one slight concern and have decided not to to go ahead with the Community Speedwatch as they could only get one person to volunteer. :lol: :lol:

They are now going to ask for VAS to be installed instead. Idiots. They dont' get it. THERE IS NO PROBLEM.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 23:34 
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A few months ago, there were plod/PCSOs with a hair drier on the road where I live.

I got a police newsletter through my door the other day. It said:
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Surprise result after speed checks in area
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So far we have held speed enforcement patrols in [3 major-ish roads named]. We found the result interesting as, during the patrols, not one vehicle was captured exceeding the speed limit

Now I saw them actually triggering the gun, so much for prior opinion :roll:

The problem isn't the typical driver, it's actually the nutters who whizz along past the pub/shops at 60+ late at night; that's more than likely what the residents are complaining about!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 01:53 
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malcolmw wrote:
A while ago, I posted on here about the obsession of my local Parish Council with "speeding in the village". I have written to them on various occasions and here is my last missive from January:
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The latest news is that they have had a speed survey carried out which only showed one slight concern and have decided not to to go ahead with the Community Speedwatch as they could only get one person to volunteer. :lol: :lol:
They are now going to ask for VAS to be installed instead. Idiots. They dont' get it. THERE IS NO PROBLEM.

Sounds like your encouragement to do the right thing has helped ! :) Excellent!
When people fail to understand all the aspects of this system their ongoing decisions will continue to be skewed too.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 01:58 
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Steve wrote:
I got a police newsletter through my door the other day. It said:
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Surprise result after speed checks in area
...So far we have held speed enforcement patrols in [3 major-ish roads named]. We found the result interesting as, during the patrols, not one vehicle was captured exceeding the speed limit

Now I saw them actually triggering the gun, so much for prior opinion :roll:
Indeed ! Sad that this is all that they were looking for ! And even worse is that it is not a surprise !
Agree about the prior opinion.
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The problem isn't the typical driver, it's actually the nutters who whizz along past the pub/shops at 60+ late at night; that's more than likely what the residents are complaining about!

So would a TrafPol patrolling sort it out ?
What else might work ... ?
Why do they travel too fast for conditions ? (One assumes that it is.)
Would greater understanding / education stop or slow them ?
Would alternative 'car play park' work ? (Take interest elsewhere?) ....

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 08:11 
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The problem is that people believe that they witness "speeding" vehicles all the time and this may vary from someone going through a puddle and making a big splash to being in a lower gear than normal and having high engine revs. When the speeds of traffic are investigate speeding is rarely found to be the case....HOWEVER, local highways departments are listening to the people who imagine that they witness "speeding" motorists and using it as an excuse to lower speed limits anywhere and everywhere.

Our local highways department wanted to reduce a NSL down to 50MPH BUT one objector said that it wasn't low enough and now they've put the process on hold, with the view of dropping it to 40MPH, although if more than one person objected to it for being TOO low do you think they would have listened???

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 08:19 
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You may recall that, a while ago, I questioned whether the focus of SafeSpeed was on the wrong target. IMO it is not necessarily the use of cameras which is the problem but, instead, improperly set limits.

It is for the reasons given in some of the above posts that I hold this view.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 08:33 
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I personally would put a lot of time, effort and money into a campaign to take road safety matters, such as speed limits out of the hands of meddling rank amatuers such as parish councils and biased and incompetent local highways departments and put the regulation of speeds back into the hands of the true professionals which surely must be the traffic police. However this governments' obsession with reducing speed limits and installing pointless traffic controls in order to inconvenience the motorist, to the point of wanting to give up travelling, isn't going to help.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 18:54 
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The catch with community speedwatch schemes is that the section of drivers that need fear anything is quite narrow.

AFAIK there is no legal obligation for the registered keeper to name the driver, so business/fleet users can chuck the letters in the bin.

AFAIK persistent offenders only get a visit from the BIB if they live in the force's area; there isn't a universal reciprocal agreement arrangement whereby - say - Dorset Police will go and visit a serial offender who lives in Dorset but has been caught in Somerset.

A BiB friend said that the result of such a talking to is at worst that BiB will "keep an eye out for you in future". Big bloody deal, I hardly ever see a real police car when I'm driving around my local area, I'm much more scared of scam vans, and they at least take no account of previous activity by the targetted driver.

Hence, only relatively local, private motorists need worry at all. And then not much.


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SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
So would a TrafPol patrolling sort it out ?

I think it would go a long way to stopping them, as well as evading identification.

SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
What else might work ... ?

I don't know. Any thoughts?

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Why do they travel too fast for conditions ? (One assumes that it is.)

I think so. Those handful could not be more unpredictable if they tried.

SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
Would greater understanding / education stop or slow them ?

Possibly. Cameras don't foster that, of course.

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Would alternative 'car play park' work ? (Take interest elsewhere?) ....

Quite possibly. There has been great success of this in another country (I’m gutted for not keeping a link to that one).

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