Gizmo wrote:
IanH wrote:
Thats about one per officer per 8 years. It's not too far removed from the national norm.
I must be outside the norm. Had one minor (cracked bumper) in 1 million miles and 27 years of motoring...!
My point is if the accidents occured whilst on call with the blues and twos on can this classed as a seeding related accident.
I understand the point you were making. But even if
100% of police accidents were
caused by speeding (highly unlikely!!) it would change the national figures for causation by speeding by approx 0.5%. Not a serious distortion really.
I was bemoaning the fact that the portrayal of the stats in this way (with no comparison to the norm) is designed to make people think that our collision record is dreadful - "frankly alarming" were the words used, I believe.
And this from a Superintendent!! And I thought they promoted people out of harm's way in this job!
Police vehicle collisions include;
The technique of 'tactical contact' - used to stop a pursuit when the potential alternative is worse - would ultimately involve the completion of a collision report. Also, as with my experience last week, the pursuit of a vehicle which contacted another vehicle during the pursuit is also classed as a PVC (police vehicle collision).
It would also include collisions which were not the fault of the police driver.
The entire policy of removing lights and sirens is ridiculous.
Lat week I had to drive two miles through Carlisle to get from the scene of an RTC to the hospital. This was not 'immediate response' , but I would have liked to get there soonest. The RTC had caused gridlock in the city centre, and I had really no alternative but to sit in the queue with everyone else. It took over an hour to get to the hospital.
Now I could have stuck my 'blues and twos' on and got through this gridlock safely in less than 5 minutes.
If I was being asked to negotiate the gridlock to attend a violent domestic, or a robbery in progress, and I had no 'bues and twos', the risk to the public of my fastest possible progress IMO would be increased dramatically. My response time would also be probably 2 or 3 times longer.
It's a bit like current road safety policy which seems to be a philosophy of
'reduction by restriction'. It doesn't encourage progress or learning and will progressively dumb down driving standards.
If we have a Polacc problem then we need more training, probably more 'psychological' than 'motor' to reduce 'red mist' which can occur when attempts to resolve a problem outweigh any consideration of the method of resolution.
this is a ridiculously short sighted P.C. move which I believe will be doomed to fail. I hope it doesn't cost too many lives in the process.
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) has a call where some granny has disturbed a violent burglar, then they will try to get there fast, with or without blue lights. With = safer for all road users, without = less so.
