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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 15:59 
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(& http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/c ... -26341374/)
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A cyclist was knocked down and killed by an enraged motorist after he accidentally clipped the driver’s wing mirror, a court heard yesterday.

Sean Fitzgerald allegedly used his car to chase Paul Webb for 300 yards before mounting a pavement and ramming into his mountain bike in a revenge attack.

Prosecutors said Fitzgerald ‘used his car like a weapon’ to ‘catapult’ Mr Webb’s bicycle 25 yards into the air before fleeing the scene of the crash and leaving his victim for dead.

Mr Webb, 42, who lived with his girlfriend of 11 years, died of massive internal injuries at the roadside.

Fitzgerald, a father of two, was later seen hosing down the front of his silver Ford Focus before driving it to a mechanic for repair hours after the crash, Warwick Crown Court was told.


now no one can paint this cyclist as whiter than white here but....

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He denies one charge of murder and another of causing death by dangerous driving.


how can he hope for either of those pleas to stand up to scrutiny ?


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Road rage motorist 'killed cyclist in revenge for clipping his wing mirror'
By Fay Schlesinger - Last updated at 12:49 AM on 29th April 2010

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Driver: Sean Fitzgerald outside Warwick Crown Court where he is charged with ramming his car into a cyclist
A cyclist was knocked down and killed by an enraged motorist after he accidentally clipped the driver’s wing mirror, a court heard yesterday.
Sean Fitzgerald allegedly used his car to chase Paul Webb for 300 yards before mounting a pavement and ramming into his mountain bike in a revenge attack.
Prosecutors said Fitzgerald ‘used his car like a weapon’ to ‘catapult’ Mr Webb’s bicycle 25 yards into the air before fleeing the scene of the crash and leaving his victim for dead.
Mr Webb, 42, who lived with his girlfriend of 11 years, died of massive internal injuries at the roadside.
Fitzgerald, a father of two, was later seen hosing down the front of his silver Ford Focus before driving it to a mechanic for repair hours after the crash, Warwick Crown Court was told.
James Burbidge QC, prosecuting, told the court Mr Webb was targeted after he knocked into Fitzgerald’s wing mirror while passing between the car and the kerb in a queue of traffic in Coventry on April 16 last year.
He said: ‘The defendant’s car had stopped directly behind a bin lorry which was on the road. Mr Webb cycled close to Mr Fitzgerald’s car and damaged the wing mirror.
Mr Webb cycled on to the pavement and was shaking his right arm as if it was hurt.
‘Mr Fitzgerald pursued Mr Webb and there was a collision. We say that was a deliberate act by Mr Fitzgerald. In effect Mr Fitzgerald pursued Mr Webb using his car as a weapon.’
Mr Webb was returning to the Coventry home he shared with Nadia Wazera, 27, after finishing a morning shift at a Co-op warehouse in nearby Keresley at 2pm.
The court heard there was a brief altercation after Mr Webb knocked Fitzgerald’s wing mirror and cycled off.
Fitzgerald, 36, allegedly pursued Mr Webb for 70 yards along the road before opening his car door to confront him.
But Mr Webb cycled off again and Fitzgerald caught up with him once more before ramming into the back of his bike, it was alleged.
Mr Burbidge said: ‘Mr Webb was catapulted back into the windscreen before being catapulted again into a set of wheelie bins and then a garden wall.’
Passers-by saw the force of the impact send Mr Webb’s mountain bike flying before landing 25 yards away, the court heard.
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Killed: Paul Webb died of massive internal injuries in Coventry
Bin man Brian Butler, who heard Mr Webb bump into the wing mirror, told the court: ‘The silver car [driven by Fitzgerald] zipped past us.
'He wanted to chase him. He wasn’t going to let the cyclist get away.
‘When we got up the hill I could see a smashed bike and I stood up in the cab and said: "**** me, he’d got him”. I couldn’t believe this was all over a wing mirror.
‘The cyclist was lying across the pavement with his eyes open. There was no life in him at all. It was very upsetting.’
Mr Webb died at the scene despite attempts to revive him. Fitzgerald drove back to his home and asked his neighbour if they knew anyone who could repair the car, the jury was told.
Mr Burbidge said: ‘A neighbour saw the defendant with a watering hose bending down by the nearside of the car. We say he was attempting to remove evidence of what he had done.'
Fitzgerald, a factory worker, handed himself in to police and admitted colliding with Mr Webb.
He denies one charge of murder and another of causing death by dangerous driving.

After Mr Webb’s death, Miss Wazera paid tribute to her partner, who moved from Liverpool to Coventry in 2002.
She said: ‘Paul was a hard-working man, a home lover who loved his cat Drew and was a keen football supporter.
‘He was a down-to-earth guy who was happy with the simple things in life – football, spaghetti bolognese, take-outs and nights in front of the TV.’
The trial continues.

First I wonder why the cyclist didn't stop and check if he had caused any accidental damage. When society becomes segregated it can place each mistrust and distaste for others.
Second Mr F's behaviours is just utterly appalling, there is just no excuse for this wanton disregard for human life.
No one mentions that he called out when opening his door to talk with the cyclist, but it is not clear if they could have heard.

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Second Mr F's behaviours is just utterly appalling, there is just no excuse for this wanton disregard for human life.
No one mentions that he called out when opening his door to talk with the cyclist, but it is not clear if they could have heard.


This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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Second Mr F's behaviours is just utterly appalling, there is just no excuse for this wanton disregard for human life.
No one mentions that he called out when opening his door to talk with the cyclist, but it is not clear if they could have heard.


This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.


This is one of the problems,we are all classified into the same section of competence and mentallity.OLLIE


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This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.


Conversely, cyclists should have some form of registration mark to prevent them from causing damage and merely cycling away, never to be seen again. Perhaps this might have soothed the murderous rage in this case.

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This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.


Conversely, cyclists should have some form of registration mark to prevent them from causing damage and merely cycling away, never to be seen again. Perhaps this might have soothed the murderous rage in this case.


and how well does this usually work when a driver leaves the scene of an accident ?


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ed_m wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
dcbwhaley wrote:
This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.


Conversely, cyclists should have some form of registration mark to prevent them from causing damage and merely cycling away, never to be seen again. Perhaps this might have soothed the murderous rage in this case.


and how well does this usually work when a driver leaves the scene of an accident ?


I don't know, why don't you tell us...

Whilst doing so could you please account for those who would have driven off, had they not known that their licence plate could subsequently be used to identify them.

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There’s little if any chance that the wing mirror would have sustained any appreciable damage. If he hit it with his arm it would have hurt him, I know because some :censored: in a car did this to me, at speed too, and I can tell you his mirror didn’t have a mark on it, unlike my elbow. :x

It may have sustained damage if the handle bar had hit his mirror but then the cyclist would almost certainly have come off. If I clipped someone’s mirror I would have the decency to stop and apologise but that still doesn’t mitigate what Fitzgerald did and I hope he goes down for a very long time indeed. :x

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This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.
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This is one of the problems,we are all classified into the same section of competence and mentallity.OLLIE
:yesyes:

If we extrapolate this though, should someone with any crimminal record of ABH or GBH for example be excluded from driving?

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RobinXe wrote:
ed_m wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
dcbwhaley wrote:
This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.


Conversely, cyclists should have some form of registration mark to prevent them from causing damage and merely cycling away, never to be seen again. Perhaps this might have soothed the murderous rage in this case.


and how well does this usually work when a driver leaves the scene of an accident ?


I don't know, why don't you tell us...

Whilst doing so could you please account for those who would have driven off, had they not known that their licence plate could subsequently be used to identify them.


hey..... you started the conjecturing ;)
why don't you start off with quantifying it first and then i'll pluck some numbers out of the air too.


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What's to quantify, we have a system of registration marks for motor vehicles that works in the majority of cases!

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If we extrapolate this though, should someone with any crimminal record of ABH or GBH for example be excluded from driving?


If you extrapolate it far enough then yes. But that is not what I was suggesting. :)

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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If we extrapolate this though, should someone with any crimminal record of ABH or GBH for example be excluded from driving?


If you extrapolate it far enough then yes. But that is not what I was suggesting. :)
I know. It was what I was suggesting ;)

You mentioned a proclivity; I extrapolated.

No harm, no foul :D

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No harm, no foul :D


Oh, Tone - I wish every disagreement could be so amicable. :D

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We must be getting soft in our old age. What happened to the good old days of handbags at six paces :D

On a serious point though, we wouldn’t issue a loaded gun to just anyone and I think we’re all in agreement that a car can be just as deadly. I’ve seen drivers wielding their car in a manner which is just as threatening as pointing a gun in your face.

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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Second Mr F's behaviours is just utterly appalling, there is just no excuse for this wanton disregard for human life.
No one mentions that he called out when opening his door to talk with the cyclist, but it is not clear if they could have heard.

This really reinforces my view that potential drivers should undergo thorough psychological testing before being granted a licence. Someone with such an anger management problem should never be allowed to drive.

The fact that one nutter has had an attack of the red mist doesn't justify imposing an unreasonable burden on everyone.

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What's to quantify, we have a system of registration marks for motor vehicles that works in the majority of cases!


Can you imagine how much it would cost to run a license scheme for pedal cycles (and the cyclists?) and what a pain it would be? I mean there's a whole part of Wales that does it for cars, do we get a whole part of Scotland to run the pedal cycle version of the DVLA?

To solve what problem? A couple of scratched wing mirrors per year, and a few bits of cyclist on ped action?

I believe one of the last countries in the world to have one (Switzerland) is currently thinking of dismantling it as it's too costly to run, and practically pointless, neigh regressive as it discourages people from riding, which is precisely what you don't want to do.

http://ipayroadtax.com/?p=85

London was thinking of doing it, but it got canned quite quickly:

http://www.lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=122


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Weepy - come down from the ivory towers . Good time ago I posted that I do block cyclists ( rather they are bikers wirh no respect for pedestrians or any other road users) who use the pavement and road to move around in . They use the road when it siutes them ,moving to the pavement when not, and then in between cars . Total menace - with no respect for any other road users .Strongly suggest thsat this was one of these feral youths ,which concerned cyclists should be looking to stamp out .

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Weepy - come down from the ivory towers .


Riiight.

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Good time ago I posted that I do block cyclists ( rather they are bikers wirh no respect for pedestrians or any other road users) who use the pavement and road to move around in .


So do I, I'll make myself as big as possible when faced with an person on a cycle going something on a footway who's about to force me/expects me to get out of their way, "accidentally" step into their path, have a word etc... Happens very rarely though.

And if I cycle on the pavement (legally) I'm Mr deference.

I've had words with people on cycles going along the pavement, especially at night ("Ah, cycling on the pavement because you haven't got any lights?"), again rare (can only remember two or three incidences in my cycling life).

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They use the road when it siutes them ,moving to the pavement when not, and then in between cars . Total menace - with no respect for any other road users .


Yup, I don't like seeing it (and will often have a word), but in the grand scheme of things, a total menace?

I do recognise the sort of behaviour you describe (forward motion at any cost, even if it means jumping up and off the footway, shooting red lights etc...), but again, very rare. Ex car drivers who have taken up cycling I reckon ;).

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Strongly suggest thsat this was one of these feral youths ,


Hmmm.

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which concerned cyclists should be looking to stamp out .


What literally, in the manner that this guy met his maker?


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Lets put our cyclist Vs driver differences aside for this thread. I'll wager that bloke is the sort that gives you a kicking for spilling his pint or lucking at his (probably rough) Mrs the wrong way. So the cyclist was (very) unlucky to have got involved with him. It might even be the case that he tried the block the cyclists progress and left them with no option but to knock his mirror.


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some (frankly disturbing) extra info from day 2 of the trial..

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/c ... -26348860/


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