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The new government has through Nick Clegg asked what laws should be undone. Labour introduced a whole host of laws. More than any in recent times.
which motoring laws do we wandt un-done? Which other laws do we want un-done.

My personal view: In no particular order
1, section 172 car owner forced to name driver under threat of criminal prosicution
2, road tax penalty for cars just from the paper record, not been used on the road.
3, remove the act that allowed DVLA data to be sold
4.4x4 road tax that puts workhorses like a van or diesel Land rover in the same tax bracket as super cars
5. £15 victims tax on court cases.
6. The act that removes the right of motorists to get full legal costs back if found not guilty. limited to legal aid rates
7 planning section 107? payments that claim £5000 per new house which is often used to fund road strangling pinch points and pseudo cycle lanes
8 What ever laws were manipulated to allow ANPR monitoring of all of us and the storing of all our movements along OUR roads

Non Motoring
Bin fines and taxes
Anti protest laws around London
Anti terrorism stop and search laws
Hips
Laws that prevent you working on the electrics of your home.



for starters

This is blue sky thinking. In my opinion these laws were brought in without full understanding the full change they would bring about

please add to the list and If you disagree please give rational debate why.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I’m not sure which laws they introduced Anton so please can we list ones which are just dumb as well, like putting road tax on fuel?

There’s enough big brother, ANPR and traff pol around so the old excuse about it’s useful to know cars are being MOTd is nonsense. Also, I don’t care what anyone says I see cars looking so rough with smoke bellowing out there’s no way it could have gotten through an MOT. So it isn’t stopping dangerous bangers on our roads anyway.

So then, all those in favour say I. “IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII”

Those against say nay…

The I’s have it!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Okay, I got some for you Anton...

Selling a grey squirrel
Impersonating a traffic warden
Importing Polish potatoes
Disturbing a pack of eggs.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

This one was always a can of worms. Speak to three different electricians and you would get three different answers, if you were to ask exactly what you could and couldn't do yourself, without being Part P registered.

As I understand it the law came in because 19 people annually were getting killed from electric shocks (hardly earth shattering), I then read that a year or two after Part P came in, that 25 people annually were getting killed....what did it achieve apart from making electrical work costlier?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

If the person that put the normal electric socket on the ceiling of my bathroom before I moved in was anything to go by then it is essential that electrics are carried out only by competent persons! I thought Part P is fairly straightforward. In bathrooms and kitchens you can't do much of anything unless registered basically. In other rooms unregistered people can do simple things like replace existing sockets/switches. Any additional circuitry has to be notified to building control and there is a fee for this unless you have been registered also as a competent person in which case you can do it via another agency for a lot less money. Asking an electrician that wants work from you is no guarantee of a sensible answer but the regulations have been written poorly in places so they do need clarification.

What were those extra people killed by? Faulty workmanship or because they ignored the regulations? Remember in a recession people start to skimp so perhaps they were doing things they shouldn't which part P would not have changed....

I'd repeal lots of the anti terrorism guff. Anything which allows normal citizens to be harassed for taking photos or peaceful protest has to go. Ditto the Digital cobblers bill. Personal non profit use should be enshrined in copyright so we can copy cds onto other devices for our own use.

Removal of the bylaws that mean councils don't have to remove waste also want getting rid of. Previously it was written down that councils must remove all waste but now they're allowed to stick loads of silly restrictions like they won't bother if it is in the wrong coloured bag or the bin lid is slightly up.

Right of no self incrimination eg S172 does want removing unless case is of serious nature ie dangerous driving or killing someone while driving. It shouldn't be used for minor speeding offences but I can see problems with more serious offences which would allow scumbags to get off with things they shouldn't if it goes completely. It's easier to prove someone stabbed someone due to proximity. It's harder to prove a particular person was driving a particular vehicle at any one time.

Most electrical accidents involve portable appliances and extension leads. Making it harder to install extra sockets means that more extension leads will be used.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

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It may not be recommended practice, but why is it a problem? Are you really likly to want to stand in your bath and stick your fingers in it??

Other countrys (such as Austrailia) permit mains sockets in bathrooms. As an Ozie explaind to me. In Oz we take the view that anybody dumb enough to stick their fingers in a mains socket while sitting in the bath is probabally somebody that our socioty would be better off without!

The fact that (whoever it was) put the socket in the ceiling (where it would be hard to get at accidentally) shows a fair degree of thought! Maybe he wanted to be able to use a vacume cleaner in his bathroom without having to run long extensions all over the place., If I had am "Awkeward" house with lots of staircases (I dont know what your house is like) I might well have done the same!

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(EDIT, Though I would ensure that it was on an RCD protected circuit. As I would with any domestic circuit (excluding dedicated fridge/freezer circuits))

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Said socket is about a foot and a half away from an electric shower.. and it is normal socket with normal switch not a covered switch like you have on an immersion heater. Tasteless individuals used it to plug in the vile xmas lights that were strewn around the entire property. The risk is not from sticking fingers in. The risk is from items plugged in ok that could fall into a bath. That's the thinking behind it apparently.

You can have sockets in bathrooms under part p but I think you have to make sure they're more than 3 metres away from a bath....

http://diydata.com/electrics/bathroom_electrics/bathroom_electrics.php

http://www.theiet.org/publishing/wiring-regulations/part-p/



1: No chance
2: No chance
3: No chance
4: No chance
5: Slight to no chance
6: Slight to less than no chance
7: Possible to slight
8: Less chance than a snow-ball in hell, ANPR is the Great White Hope of Law Enforcement. Soon, nobody will be able to drive anywhere without the Great and Good knowing when, where, to where, from where and whereabouts.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

As far as I am aware this is not the case. Yet. It is a suggestion put forward by the last government but not acted on. Yet.

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.

On the electrickery theme, how about reversing the law that says i have to install expensive, complex, ugly, over-sized, mercury death tubes rather than nice, compact, simple, cheap, frosted incandescent light bulbs (allegedly to save some polar bears or penguins or something)?

mb

Was S172 actually introduced by the Labour Government? I thought it was the Tories.

The smoking ban.
The handgun ban.
The foxhunting ban.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Government ministers should all have knee operations to stop them jerking in response to the daily news.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Errr.. to be fair to whichever "flavour of the month" sits in No 10 and Westminster - most of the above laws were inflicted on us Brits by the EU

Why so up in arms over foxhunting ban?

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

There is an easy solution to that one!

And one that I would wholeheartedly support!

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Because it is no part of Government to interfere with harmless activities.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I think the fox might disagree with that one dcb

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

I think the foxes would disagree. Would you be so happy if it was your dog or cat being hounded to death?

There's an old expression that you can judge a nation by the way it treats animals...

Edit: Ah, I see you just beat me to it IG

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

It's easy to blame the EU for many things.
Many EU directives come about as a result of "harmonising" legislation across the EU.....and are widely agreed before implementation (by governments)....
Many of the H&S directives already existed in this country, but were "implemented" anyway.
Others, such as the directive on human rights, were started by us anyway, but only become YOURO when they start to hinder the ability of the government to....govern.
The ban on the use of dogs to hunt foxes was nothing to do with the EU (and the then PM...Mr Blair....advocated a version of the ban that controlled hunting foxes, not banning it, but was voted down by the commons.
The handgun ban was nothing to do with the EU either.
The smoking ban (properly called the Workplace Smoking Ban) was introduced here as a H&S measure to protect those who do not smoke from being "forced" to smoke by working with smokers. The law is widely ignored and is largely unenforceable anyway. I still do not go to pubs...because many still "allow" smoking inside.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing