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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 14:30 
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Lowering speed by 5% saves 50 lives
Written by Staff Reporter
Wednesday, 23 June 2010

Experts from Ireland, the UK, Sweden and Belgium were in Dublin recently for the Road Safety Authority's (RSA) third international conference. The theme of the conference was speeding, as the RSA, An Garda Síochána and other stakeholders work towards the roll-out of the safety camera network later this year.

The RSA research presented highlighted the significant role speed plays in deaths and serious injuries. In addition to being directly responsible for one third of road deaths every year (80 deaths in 2009), it is also a factor in the remaining 160 deaths, 1,000 serious injuries and anything up to 7,000 minor injuries. The research also revealed that reducing speed by just five per cent could save up to 50 lives every year.

Speaking about the conference, Noel Dempsey TD, Minister for Transport, said: "It's a proven fact that speed has a direct relationship with collision severity. The higher the speed, the greater the likelihood of death or serious injury in a collision. We should never lose sight of the reasons why we continue to invest our time, energy and money into road safety. We want to reduce needless suffering on families across the country and it is this objective that really underpins our own road safety strategies."

Noel Brett, Chief Executive of the Road Safety Authority (RSA), said it was important to remind people of the risks associated with excessive or inappropriate speeding.

"Reducing your speed by just five per cent could reduce road deaths by 20 per cent and injuries by ten per cent. But breaking the speed limit by just 5km/h could mean the difference between life or death for pedestrians, cyclists or unrestrained passengers travelling in the car. Hit by a car at 60km/h, nine out of ten pedestrians will be killed."

Also speaking at the conference, Superintendent Con O'Donohue, An Garda Siochana, outlined the upcoming safety camera strategy.

"In Ireland, enforcement will be focused on speed enforcement zones on the road network which have a history of speed related death and injury. It's important to note that the operator will be paid on the basis of the number of hours spent enforcing speed limits and not on the basis of detections. This is about saving lives and preventing injuries, not about catching people."

Ms Ellen Townsend, Policy Director at the European Transport Safety Council (ETSC), highlighted the progress made in other EU countries as a result of implementing a safety camera network.

"Speeding could be responsible for as many as 11,000 deaths in the EU every year. However, in countries where a safety camera network has been implemented, deaths and injuries as a result of speeding have dropped significantly," she said.

"In France, road deaths fell by 30 per cent in the period 2002 to 2005 - safety cameras were responsible for 75 per cent of this reduction. Following the introduction of safety cameras in Spain in 2008, average speeds dropped by up to 4km/h, depending on the type of road. We estimate that more than 2,200 deaths could be prevented in the EU every year if average speeds dropped by just 1km/h on EU roads, so we would urge the Irish government to prioritise the roll-out of the network of safety cameras this year."

Dr Áine Carroll, Consultant in Rehabilitation Medicine at the National Rehabilitation Hospital, gave an overview of the consequences of speeding from a medical perspective.

"Over the past five years, 331 people have come to our hospital as a result of road collisions, many of which were caused by speeding. The injuries they sustained ranged from traumatic brain injuries to spinal cord injuries and amputations. Every day, we work with these people to help them learn how to live with these permanent injuries but the reality is that they may never live a normal life again because of their decision to drive dangerously."

Swedish research into the effectiveness of this system suggests that speed cameras reduce the number of fatalities by 20 to 30 per cent and the number of people killed or seriously injured by 20 per cent, Matts Belin of the Swedish Transport Administration told the conference.

Professor Stephen Stradling, Professor Emeritus at Edinburgh Napier University, presented his findings into the effects and effectiveness of safety cameras in the UK. He suggested that fixed cameras were a better option than the mobile cameras that are part of the roll-out programme for Ireland later in October.

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Speaking about the conference, Noel Dempsey TD, Minister for Transport, said: "It's a proven fact that speed has a direct relationship with collision severity. The higher the speed, the greater the likelihood of death or serious injury in a collision.

In isolation yes, but that doesn't necessarily follow within a real-world system. Confounding factors such as fatigue, traffic displacement and respect for law must be considered.

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Noel Brett, Chief Executive of the Road Safety Authority (RSA), said it was important to remind people of the risks associated with excessive or inappropriate speeding.

"Reducing your speed by just five per cent could reduce road deaths by 20 per cent and injuries by ten per cent. But breaking the speed limit by just 5km/h could mean the difference between life or death for pedestrians, cyclists or unrestrained passengers travelling in the car. Hit by a car at 60km/h, nine out of ten pedestrians will be killed."

Looking before crossing the road could mean the difference between life and death for pedestrians (and cyclists too).
IIRC, table 4i of RCGB shows that 85% of pedestrian casualties have pedestrian error (such as failed to look properly) as a contributory factor. So why this total focus on the driver?

Ms Ellen Townsend, Policy Director at the European Transport Safety Council (ETSC) wrote:
However, in countries where a safety camera network has been implemented, deaths and injuries as a result of speeding have dropped significantly," she said.

Oddly enough, in countries where a safety camera network wasn't implemented (such as our own from 1950 to 1992), deaths and injuries were also dropping significantly.

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"In France, road deaths fell by 30 per cent in the period 2002 to 2005 - safety cameras were responsible for 75 per cent of this reduction.

WTF????? What is that based on?

Camera effectiveness: when factoring for RTTM, the local "scheme effect" is responsible for 10% of the fall at camera sites [the "scheme effect" not necessarily being only the camera, it can also be other non-camera safety measure installed nearby], over 3 years - that's 10% over 3 years!.
So that nationwide 30% over 3 years inherently suggests that every section of every road is monitored by a speed camera - times 3 over !!!!! :scratchchin: I don't think so!

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"Over the past five years, 331 people have come to our hospital as a result of road collisions, many of which were caused by speeding.

Let's be clear here. only a small portion of those 331 injured will have been because of exceeding the speed limit; don't be fooled into thinking all 331 were.
Furthermore, exceeding the speed limit is one of a great many contributory factors at play. What was the root cause of crashed drunk and drugged drivers who were also exceeding the limit?

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Following the introduction of safety cameras in Spain in 2008, average speeds dropped by up to 4km/h, depending on the type of road. We estimate that more than 2,200 deaths could be prevented in the EU every year if average speeds dropped by just 1km/h on EU roads, so we would urge the Irish government to prioritise the roll-out of the network of safety cameras this year."

It's fairly obvious what they have done.
We know KSIs are reducing (thanks to continued efforts directed towards car design, road engineering, post-crash care, etc). We also know speeds are forever being ratcheted downwards.
I suspect what these guys have done is wrongly claim a direct causal relationship between those two characteristics, therefore completely disregarding any other safety policy implemented anywhere over that time.

Bastards!

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Following the introduction of safety cameras in Spain in 2008, average speeds dropped by up to 4km/h, depending on the type of road. We estimate that more than 2,200 deaths could be prevented in the EU every year if average speeds dropped by just 1km/h on EU roads, so we would urge the Irish government to prioritise the roll-out of the network of safety cameras this year."
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Speaking about the conference, Noel Dempsey TD, Minister for Transport, said: "It's a proven fact that speed has a direct relationship with collision severity. The higher the speed, the greater the likelihood of death or serious injury in a collision.

Or to be equally silly -
"Pedestrian accidents are caused by pedestrians and vehicles occupying the same space at the same time ,so lets spend the money fencing off the roads and provide bridges across the roads .Then introduce a set of pedestrian officers ,to fine those who jump the fences .

Job done .

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 19:35 
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Hit by a car at 60km/h, nine out of ten pedestrians will be killed."


So reduce this figure by 5% to 57KM/H and how many out of ten will be killed? ...my guess is 9

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Hit by a car at 60km/h, nine out of ten pedestrians will be killed."


So reduce this figure by 5% to 57KM/H and how many out of ten will be killed? ...my guess is 9



And have they adopted the metric speed system in Eire ,or is the EU version being used to make the speeds look more horrific .

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...and they all went home slapping each other on the back and saying what a good idea it would be to roll out a load of scameras...

~~~ THE END ~~~

I mean, what else could they have said?!

Interesting that the chap from Napier reckoned that fixed ones were more effective. Bet he didn't get a standing ovation!


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Dr Áine Carroll, Consultant in Rehabilitation Medicine at the National Rehabilitation Hospital, gave an overview of the consequences of speeding from a medical perspective.

"Over the past five years, 331 people have come to our hospital as a result of road collisions, many of which were caused by speeding. The injuries they sustained ranged from traumatic brain injuries to spinal cord injuries and amputations. Every day, we work with these people to help them learn how to live with these permanent injuries but the reality is that they may never live a normal life again because of their decision to drive dangerously."



(My bolds)

Does she a) know the difference ,between the two highlighted items
b) wonder if it could be excess speed for the conditions which made the driving dangerous , not a decision ,but the result of poor decision making .( i.e judgement ,possibly caused by inexperience/lack of road education) .

And has she considered how a camera would differentiate ,save between a speed above or below the difference,rather than between safe and unsafe ( dangerous driving), and how it could tell if the drop in the standard of driving leading to the speed being excessive was due to poor education or other causes .


Sounds like the decision has been made to erect cameras ,now all we need is the evidence to make our case

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The best overall option (than speed cameras) is to not replace traffic police units with speed cameras, but why use what is the very best option when you can substitute with a worse alternative !!!
Ireland thinks that the UK has it (speed enforcement) wrong - many people in the UK also think that it is wrong.
It is crucial for the sake of proper & intelligent road safety, that the root cause of an accident is fully appreciated and understood.

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Another approach, would be to reduce road traffic speed to zero, then statistically there will be no road deaths at all.

WHAT WOULD THEN REPLACE THE MOTOR CAR AND ITS MILLIONS OF ROAD MILES JOURNEYS ?, What better and safer alternative is there to answer
this need? Frightningly, B.R.A.K.E say that they want zero road deaths due to motor cars.I agree but what grounding in reality has this organization.

What do they want in a real world?


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steve mccarron wrote:

What do they want in a real world?


Jobs, money and a pension.

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