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20mph blanket urban speed limit would probably have meant that all was OK too.

You seem to be intimating that making speeding legal wouldn't make any difference to rate of occurrence - that's unexpected coming from you weepie! Are you sure you want to say that?
Now I know what you're going to say, but before you do, can you first apply it to the jaywalking question?


Ah, that perfectly explains your anti-motorist attitude; you are extremely deluded my friend!

It may surprise you that I walk more distance than I drive - my only car has been out of action for months; reconcile that!

You see, no one (within this thread) has been saying or intimating that; what we have been saying is that she had looked, she wouldn't have walks and she wouldn't have died. For some reason you still will not acknowledge this, as well as yet again evading the questions I posed.

You've taken a very reasonable, and thus far irrefuted, argument for safety and completely turned it around for a lovely ad hominem setup, whilst trying to disguise your evasion - nice try!
I don't mind leaving it there and leaving the casual reader to judge your true colours.
Your post will be haunting you for years to come - I'm going to make sure of it.

Baseless insults are all you have left - a sure sign that you've been beaten.

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Apologies for the temporary thread locks. A foible caught me out whilst I was doing maintenance.

Cost the country £billions in lost time but, hey, if it only saves one life...

The Red Flag law might have saved her life as well.

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Blanket urban 'look before you blindly step into a road which is known to have vehicles passing at any speed' would also have meant that "all was OK too".

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

We all have to be responsible. To completely put the onus of responsibility on the driver in this situation doesn’t just harm her or her family and friends, it does a great injustice to the way forward!

I saw a man today, a biker, who will never be a biker again - although his hope is that he will.

Someone pulled out in front of him and he was not speeding or doing anything wrong. Born in 1974, so young enough to be my son. We talked about what happened and our love of motorbikes. I met his mother too who has gone through unimaginable pain watching his suffering and a future he will never enjoy again like he did before. He will never be able to hold his two lovely daughters again.

I choked back the tears as I listened to his story. I choked back the tears as I looked at pictures on the wall in the nursing home of his wife and children while he was taken away to be fed. I choked back the tears as I saw him looking so happy in those pictures of him next to his mate and his Ducati 1098 before the accident.

I 'let it out' in the car on my own as I drove back to my work place.

Maybe you think I love speeding everywhere with a complete disregard for others. Well I can tell you I don't! I use an appropriate speed for the conditions, which is often above a dumb posted speed limit and very often well below. I don't know why I am even bothering to tell you this; you have no idea.

What did you do today weepej and how connected are you with what’s really going on, on our roads, and the difference between what is or isn't safe.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

From Steve's reply to weepy -



And if the same logic was applied to pedestrians and cyclists ,as has been a knee-jerk reaction to motorists - using a mobile phone whilst walking ( or in a dangerous location-like near the kerb) and whilst on a cycle , might attract the same penalties .I have added cyclists on the phone ,and peds on mobile to my list of hazards .And that's backed by a poster that appeared some years ago on network rail sites ( where incidentally ,having a phone switched on ,in certain locations/duties may lead to a ban from on track work = loss of job) .I've seen blokes unaware of the presence of a freight train ,whilst on the phone -so what chance a pedestrian .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

(Yet on this very site many posters (including Safespeed's campaign representative) were recently defending the use of a mobile phone whilst piloting a one tonne vehicle at lethal speeds)

I read about this happening a lot.

Motorcyclists should always be ready for this to happen, they know how invisible they are, I am very aware of this when I ride my pedal cycle, I don't see why motorcyclists can't be.

Nonsense, in urban areas your average speed in a car is very low anyway, even if you do manage to get up to 30mph in between lights/queues.

And by having a blanket urban 20MPH limit, you expect your average speed to stay the same, over, say a four mile urban journey? Dream on!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It may even go up, less bunching, less fender benders and proper crashes (a major cause of congestion), people able to make better decisions about their road positioning, cars able to pull out of sides roads easier.

Anti motorist? I've got a car?!

Anti bad motorist you mean!

Why would you want to cast me as anti motorist?!



Everybody walks somewhere.



So I can't understand how your constant reference to jaywalking laws would've helped here, other than as a excuse for bad driving ("she shouldn't have been there when I mowed her down officer!").

Very defensive post from you there Steve, did I bring a truth home?

There's always a first time. Still waiting...

In the pecking order of life you have to keep your eyes peeled if you don’t wish to be pecked.

The lorry driver fears the train when crossing a track
The car driver fears the lorry
The biker fears the car
The pedestrian should fear anything coming along a road

Just because some are more armoured than others doesn’t absolve us from our responsibility to ensure our own and others safety.

If she had stepped out but the driver veered off and mowed down several children on the pavement instead what sentence do you think she would have got for being irresponsible?

I’ll beat you to your answer.. “It’s always the drivers fault because he’s got a killing machine”.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Pretty much!

Soft squidgy people are responsible for their own safety, people travelling around in cars are responsible for the safety of others, this guy failed in that responsibility towards others in a big way.

It is entirely possible to be anti-motorist in one's general opinions and attitudes and yet still drive a car.

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I'm not anti motorist though, I think cars are great, I have one, I have friends and family with cars.

I just wish a lot of them were driven with more care, consideration and forethought.

Can't quite see why that's so hard to comprehend!

It is you who is spouting nonsense. That may be true in some congested areas of inner London, but in every urban area I'm familiar with there are lengthy stretches of 30-limit main road that for most of the day can easily be driven at 30 mph from end to end. So a blanket 20 limit would lead to a vast increase in journey times.

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Can anyone else small the irony (within the context of this thread) within that post?

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