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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 18:05 
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By CATE MUNRO on Tue Jul 27 10:21:36 BST 2010

Government cuts mean speed cameras in some areas are being cut but not in Cambridgeshire.

SPEED cameras on roads around Peterborough are safe – despite huge Government budget cuts for road safety.
Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Road Safety Partnership (CPRSP) says it has no plans to cut the number of cameras it operates.

The partnership – which includes the emergency services, NHS and Cambridgeshire County Council – has been funded by the Government, with fines generated from people caught by the cameras going directly back to Treasury coffers.
Last week, the Government announced 40 per cent cuts to the amount of cash handed out to local authorities for road safety – meaning the CPRSP loses £297,000.
However, in a bid to safeguard speed camera presence around the county, Cambridgeshire County Council plans to plug the shortfall from its reserve funds.
The original CPRSP budget was just over £1.1 million, with £819,000 going to the Safety Camera Unit (SCU), which covers 53 fixed cameras within Cambridgeshire, including Peterborough and surrounding trunk road network.
There are also three mobile enforcement vans that operate at specific accident blackspots around the county.
Some £294,000 was earmarked for targeted education and publicity campaigns and increased road-policing operations.

Cambridgeshire County Councillor Mac McGuire, cabinet member for highways, said: “We have only ever installed safety cameras in Cambridgeshire where there has been a speed related accident problem, as the cameras are about saving lives and not generating money.”
“The statistics speak for themselves. From 2005 to 2009, accidents have dropped by more than 60 per cent where we have put fixed camera sites.
“There are no plans at the moment to stop running cameras but we will review the situation as the Government makes announcements on funding.”

Claire Armstong, from lobby group Safe Speed, hit back at claims that speed cameras were directly responsible for accident reduction.
She said: “I would seriously urge the CPRSP to reconsider. Speed cameras distort people’s perceptions, they distract drivers and they give a false safety message.
“People are more inclined to drive erratically and unpredictably.”

A spokesperson from Cambridgeshire police said: “Safety cameras are an important part of reducing collisions.
“Speeding remains a priority of our neighbourhood teams and is an emotive issue for many members of the public.”

Peterborough speeding facts
IN May this year, speed cameras on a stretch of road near the A47 roundabout on Frank Perkins Parkway in Peterborough were catching drivers at a rate of 1,000 a day.
Around 900 speeding tickets were issued, which meant the two cameras netted the government £54,000 in fines in their first 10 days of operation.
People caught speeding were given a £60 fine and three penalty points.
Those failing to pay within 28 days faced prosecution.
Maximum penalties include a £1,000 fine or even a jail term.

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GOOD! (He says selfishly). I happen to live a very long way from Cambridge, so I'm alright, Jack. :wink: The reason I say "good" is that we could do with a "control" for the next few years. IF Oxfordshire turns all its cameras off and Cambridgeshire doesn't, let's see whose KSI rate changes and which way...


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GOOD! (He says selfishly). I happen to live a very long way from Cambridge, so I'm alright, Jack. :wink: The reason I say "good" is that we could do with a "control" for the next few years. IF Oxfordshire turns all its cameras off and Cambridgeshire doesn't, let's see whose KSI rate changes and which way...

So -you think that safety massaging/culinary accountancy won't take place .I think I've also seen that Leics ain't switching off .Methinks we need a Government minister for "truth from local authorities " ,and even then I fear that the Quangos will ,in desperation ,as in the past , produce figures that Mr H.C. Anderson would call as fiction , and relate as Eusop's .

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[quote][/quote]Peterborough were catching drivers at a rate of 1,000 a day.
Around 900 speeding tickets were issued, which meant the two cameras netted the government £54,000 in fines in their first 10 days of operation.

So with all these speeding drivers did accident rates go up?


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Peterborough were catching drivers at a rate of 1,000 a day.


Well, if I've got it wrong and the "speed kills" merchants have got it right, then Peterborough must be a really dangerous place to be with lots of daily fatalities, is this so? I think I drove through there about 25 years ago but don't remember seeing any carnage on that day , ( if I'd known that there were at least a thousand maniacal killers on the road at that time, in a given day, I might have by passed it), has it got so much worse? ... ;-)

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GOOD! (He says selfishly). I happen to live a very long way from Cambridge, so I'm alright, Jack. :wink: The reason I say "good" is that we could do with a "control" for the next few years. IF Oxfordshire turns all its cameras off and Cambridgeshire doesn't, let's see whose KSI rate changes and which way...

So -you think that safety massaging/culinary accountancy won't take place?...


Indeed, I would expect nothing less of these people!

That said, it's been (I think) happening ever since SCPs were involved, and some figures (like "ks") are harder to fudge than others. We've got, I think, fairly used to spotting the various tricks over the years. I reckon any new ones will come to light in due course. Besides, any masaging up until now will have been made to make the KSIs look lower. That might continue, or it might reverse so that they can create a case for fixed scamera deployment all over again. In the former case, so what?! It's the same system that we're used to, so we'll get a good back-to-back comparison. If it's the latter, they'll have provided the proof that we've been looking for, in many cases. So, for example, if they start shifting from counting "KSI accidents" (i.e. 1 bus with 50 people dead = 1KSI accident) to counting them individually to "big-up the numbers", or if they change the definition of an "SI" to include anything that needs a plaster, or change a "K" to mean anyone that dies within 25 years of the accident, they'll have to explain the policy change.

The big difference here is that unlike the last government, this government doesn't appear to actually WANT fixed scameras...


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The big difference here is that unlike the last government, this government doesn't appear to actually WANT fixed s cameras...

And like you - I tend to believe that the "untruths " about the "miracles " that cameras can produce will have a lot of scrutiny applied - I would like to believe that this lot believe that stopping an accident is better than proving who caused it and getting paid afterwords .Be nice if that was the philosophy, rather than the Demo Prats philosophy of anti car .

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