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All dogs are dangerous - wolves without the fear of man.
There are two kinds of dogs - those that have attacked people and those that are going to attack people.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

No. A leash/muzzle doesn't prevent dogs attacking people so a perfectly valid dichotomy. But it might reduce the damage they do - like speed limits


Indeed not, the quite one are often more viscous.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Now you're losing me: what's the viscosity of wolves got to do with anything?

The post that DCB originally quoted from:

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DCB has past form regarding an irrational hatred of dogs, viscous ones at that

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

The Safe Speed campaign calls for speed limit and enforcement of then where exceeding causes danger.

For your earlier dog logic ("have attacked people and those that are going to") to be proven correct, all dogs (whose life ended naturally) must have attacked people. That's not the case (or at least you cannot prove that it is); therefore your case fails.

Unless you also want to draw the analogy that all drivers are going to, or have, killed by dangerous driving!?!

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and 'quite' what?

Methinks the perils of reliance upon automated correction shows itself once more

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Since you have split this off the main topic-

I was wondering if dcb was trying to draw an ironic parallel to the speeding driver line

"There are two types of drivers, those who speed and those who lie about it"

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Come clean dcb, you are being subpoenaed.

This does sound a little bit like 'my nephew got killed by a motorbike so now I hate all motorbikes'.

“There are two kinds of people in this world. There are people having lots of sex and there are jealous people” Ardal O'Hanlon

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

More a case of "every member of my family has been injured by a motorcycle on several occasions so I tend to be wary of them"

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

"Every member"

I've never seen you like this bud

Maybe this is a sensitive and very personal matter and not for open discussion on a forum; in which case maybe it's best not to 'open that door' on an open forum?

Sorry to say it, but you can't blame people for thinking this is out of the ordinary. I know because I ‘do’ out of the ordinary often for reasons I have had to explain and/or apologise; including you!

This doesn’t make sense, and I sense there is something more or deeper. You are not on trial and you do not have to reply of course. But for someone who I like and respect for your knowledge and humour, I have to confess you have floored me today...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Likewise . The following is said as a dog lover ,who acknowledges that folks can have a fear of dogs ,and in the best interests of dogs seeks to address that .
Fear of dogs is something I've never had( but something I've seen and detest -dogs are on the whole ,friendly sociable man loving animals) . I've had dogs from my first recollection . So perhaps that's why I'm not frightened of any dog ,irrespective of size ,possibly something I inherited from my parents ( Dad was a postman for about 15 years ,taking on a round from a dog hating predecessor.In my youth I used to drove the sub postmasters van with the large things on board , helping him in his work and after a short spell ,I noticed a string of dogs following him .At each house he was welcomed by a dog . Any dog showing animosity was quickly brought to heel by the pack ).
But dogs need to be respected . If you have a fear of dogs, then realise that a dog will sense this and dependant on the breed ,may just growl or worse . But on the other hand ,dogs have grown up in a human community and are now just like social humans . Meet a dog - it wants to sniff you - it's finding out about you .If you've got a dog ,then it'll most possibly be very friendly ( and if you've got a tit bit - as the girls say "you're in"). Otherwise ,it might wait to see if you're friend or foe . ( ONLY the nasty ones do otherwise) . But if a dog growls( or the hair on it's back rises) , back off -it's saying "I'm not sure ,please give me space".Usually it's a case of the dog having a fear of you , and allowing it to decide that you pose no threat will make it decide to be a friend .
Hope this might help

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Yes. Every member of my family has been attacked by a dog in the past few years. Some more than once. My wife was hospitalised by a dog bite. Several friends have been attacked. On the occasions we have found the owner they treat it as a joke. Nor do the police take it seriously. But if those injuries had been caused by a knife the perpetrators would have been punished. In my footpath protection work we regularly have reports of people being unable to use PROW because of fierce dogs. So that, bud, is why you see me like this

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

DCB -as a a very responsible dog owner ,FRANKLY , I'm SHOCKED ,but not amazed - my dog has been attacked by Staffordshire bull terriers more than once -and fortunately on each occlusion he's seen them off . But on on an odd occasion , when my grand daughter has walked him - she's been attacked by a Staffie ,when he wouldn't submit to aggression and has been bitten -unfortunately the dog was not identified .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Oh, okay. Soz mate; I understand now ta. It’s always good to see things from the other person’s point of view.

I’ve been intimidated by them but never actually bitten. I’m not particularly a big fan of dogs myself but then I think it’s true that there is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners.

There’s a moron in my neighbourhood who I’d like to give a knuckle sandwich. His dog barks at me like it’s going to rip my balls off when I’m on my motorbike. He restrains it with a great big self-important grin on his face. He doesn’t pull it back or whack it with a newspaper or anything to train it, he just ‘gets off’ on it because he’s got no brain with which to do something constructive with his life.

The first time it happened he just shouted across to me “he doesn’t like motorbikes”. If anyone here has seen The Dog Whisperer you will know it’s entirely possible to train dogs so that you are the master and there's absolutely no need for it. The other thing I hate, although it’s not their fault, is they are sh1t machines and very few owners pick up after their dog.

I may have mentioned it before but my front garden was a toilet for every four legged creature in the neighbourhood. It got so bad that I think if I had ever caught the owner I would have a criminal record and no job now. I had rip up the whole garden and replace it with gravel.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Very true. Perhaps one of the reasons that I get so annoyed with unruly dogs is that I have spent a lot of time working with and helping to train Search and Rescue Dogs. When you see what can be achieved with the right methods it is difficult to have any sympathy with people who won't or don't train their animals properly



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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

This being the case I am surprised you still have such a negative attitude towards dogs. Every human is a potential murderer, that doesn't make us all bad.

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I have negative attitude to untrained dogs and to dogs that have been trained to be violent. Well trained working dogs don't bother me.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Dogs can pick up on negative attitudes very quickly.

That's probably why they don't like you.

My dog's far more boisterous around people with a predisposition against dogs in general. People who are either keen on, or ambivalent to dogs, he's good as gold.

Do you not include well-trained working dogs within "all dogs" then?

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.