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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:22 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10989119

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Road risk higher among deprived children, says study
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Children from the poorest backgrounds are being let down, says road safety charity Brake

Children from deprived areas are at far greater risk on the roads than those from richer areas, a UK study found.

It suggests youngsters in Preston are more than five times more likely to be injured than those in London's wealthy borough of Kensington and Chelsea.

Campaigners say affluent children are less likely to spend time on the street as they have gardens to play in, and are driven around in safer cars.

Road Safety Analysis examined 120,000 crashes involving children from 2004-8.
The not-for-profit company used postcodes to compare risk levels with children aged up to 15 across 408 local authority areas.

'Worrying discrepancy'

In the most dangerous area of Preston, children have a one-in-206 chance of being hurt on the roads every year - more than twice as likely as the national average of one in 427.
In the safest area of Kensington and Chelsea, by comparison, one child in 1,158 was injured.

Dan Campsall, a director at Road Safety Analysis, says: "The results of this study show a worrying discrepancy between different parts of the country.
"Children in some areas experience considerably higher risk from road traffic crashes than others who might be living just over the border.

"There is still further study to be undertaken and we are keen to make sure all of the data and analysis techniques that underpin this study can be accessed by local authorities to allow them to investigate how they might ensure the safety of children from their communities."

He says children from deprived areas are more likely to live near major urban thoroughfares and to walk and ride bikes rather than being driven.
Some communities may not be receiving the same quality and focus of education on road safety, he adds.

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The "child casualties" report also found that over the first 16 years of a child's life, one in every 27 will be reported as injured or killed in a collision.

More accidents happened on Fridays than any other day, followed by Saturdays, it adds. The fewest casualties were on Sundays.
May was the most dangerous month, with about 25% more injuries reported than in the winter months.

Julie Townsend, campaigns director for road safety charity Brake, told the BBC: "Poorer families may also be more likely to have older cars with lower crash protection standards than richer families.

"And they may be more likely to use second-hand child seats - which we don't recommend - or none at all because of the expense."

She said the UK had a particularly poor record on child pedestrian safety and the figures showed "how badly" children from the poorest backgrounds were being let down.

"The government needs to make it a priority to make our streets safer for children to get out and about on foot and bicycle, which is good for their health and social development, by making 20mph the default urban limit, and ensuring speed limits are enforced," she added.

Road Safety Analysis said the real level of risk was likely to be even higher than reported because its study only analysed the number of crashes reported to police.

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Locations with high chance of child road accident

* Preston City - one in 206
* Liverpool City - one in 234
* Barrow Borough - one in 238
* Blackpool - one in 251
* Wyre Borough - one in 254

Locations with low chance of child road accident

* Kensington and Chelsea, London - one in 1,158
* Richmond-upon-Thames, London - one in 1,038
* Shetland Islands - one in 1,024
* Camden, London - one in 914
* Westminster, London - one in 892

Source: Road Safety Analysis

Hmm. Makes me glad I live in Windermere - but wait a minute - I drive through Preston on my way to my mother in laws every weekend - does THAT increase the risk to ME?

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Correlation of things does not imply causation of one by the other.

Why would Friday be the most hazardous?

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malcolmw wrote:
Correlation of things does not imply causation of one by the other.


No but there is an obvious intermediate stage. The real correlation is between wealth and accident rate.

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Why would Friday be the most hazardous?


Because a lot of office and factories knock off earlier on Fridays so that there is more traffic when schools are turning out.????

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There are more children (0-16) in Preston than in Kensington and Chelsea.
21% to 14%.

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Poorer people drive faster, clearly. Cheers Brake.

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RobinXe wrote:
Poorer people drive faster, clearly. Cheers Brake.


Rubbish. It is well established by that nice police lady that it is the middle class who drive fastest. :)

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There are more children (0-16) in Preston than in Kensington and Chelsea.
21% to 14%.


You're not perhaps suggesting that there is an exposure risk skewing the stats are you? Where have we encountered that before........ :scratchchin:

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RobinXe wrote:
Poorer people drive faster, clearly. Cheers Brake.


Rubbish. It is well established by that nice police lady that it is the middle class who drive fastest. :)

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So the key to this problem is

(a) make car ownership cheaper so that more working-class kids can be driven around, and
(b) build lots of new roads in urban areas to keep traffic out of residential zones

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dcbwhaley wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
Poorer people drive faster, clearly. Cheers Brake.


Rubbish. It is well established by that nice police lady that it is the middle class who drive fastest. :)


But poor kids die more. So either middle class people are going outside their own neighbourhoods to run kids over, or speed doesn't kill. :?

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She said the UK had a particularly poor record on child pedestrian safety


Is this true? Does anyone have figures?


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Apparently we do have a much higher proportion of child pedestrians involved in accidents than most of the rest of Europe. Interestingly, we have a lower adult accident rate than most of Europe.

The traffic levels and risk are identical for both demographic groups so draw your own conclusions from this.

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This is the kind of research that needs treating VERY carefully for confounding factors! I think a lot of the high adult casualty rate elsewhere in Europe can be down to things like teenagers and young adults charging around in T shirts on mopeds just because they have the weather to do it. Similarly, in a lot of mediterranean countires, the younger kids may well be more closely supervised rather than turned out to play in the steet.

By and large, it strikes me that much of this research needs filing in the "bleedin' obvious" file. Having lived in Preston (and Blackpool) I also wouldn't mind betting that the differences aren't just between towns but quite likely between neighbourhoods. I don't for one minute imagine that the accident rates for kids in (say) the Fulwood or Penwortham districts of Preston would be anything like as bad as (say) Deepdale. Blackpool is also a bit of a special case - they'd need to carefully "control" their figures to take out the odd factors to do with it being a holiday resort where you have (a) lots of excited kids running round the prom in unfamiliar surroundings and lots of drivers driving along the prom (also in unfamiliar surroundings).

Strange though - there are quite a lot of speed cameras in Blackpool - especially along the prom, so I would have thought it would have been one of the safest towns... :wink:


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It's what you get when you just take the figures, and draw conclusions from those figures, without looking at the other factors.
Then again, it could just be that some people use the figures that suit them most.
Looking at the stats on the populations (crudely) of the two areas made it a bit obvious that one area had more "children" than the other. One assumes that there would be more accidents [involving children] in one area than the other (more assumptions).
What is needed is a pure statistics viewpoint.

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the rich kids stay indoors with their playstations and the like getting obese.... so i reckon the fatality rates probably even out in the long run.


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I wonder if we could have figures for speed camera numbers, grouped in the same areas as these?

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RobinXe wrote:
I wonder if we could have figures for speed camera numbers, grouped in the same areas as these?


Be a lot more cameras ( and speed reducing road items=humps) in these areas -the parents in these areas tend to believe ,these days,that it's not their job to educate their kids in road safety -cars should expect to see two year-rounds playing on the road :wink:
So driving around a lot of local estates I see a lot of kids ( both me & mrs B consider too young to be let out on their own-strangely enough , our daughter who owns a house in the middle of a council estate , has voiced a similar opinion-so it's not GOS)

To add to that - few years ago ,I used to be active in our community on the Residents Association committee - at one meeting ,we had a new resident at a meeting ,asking the police about speed checks in the area . Now ,his kid was not used to playing out, so was not aware of traffic . But ,he said he'd noticed that the "natives "(ones born in the street),knew what to do when they saw /heard a car ,and some of these were young .

So whilst seeing this report that kids from "deprived areas"are more at risk , if the likes of this area can be described as "deprived" , as was once described in court by a QC defending a tenant fighting eviction , then these kids are more street wise ,and less prone to street accidents than those better off kids who can sit indoors playing on a playstation .

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the rich kids stay indoors with their playstations and the like getting obese.... so i reckon the fatality rates probably even out in the long run.

Inaccurate on both counts – obesity is much more common amongst the poor than the rich, and the life expectancy gap between rich and poor has been growing.

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