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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 21:00 
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I've found a (relatively) new paper about pedestrian fatality risk, which looks very interesting
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Pedestrian fatality risk as a function of car impact speed, by Erik Rosén and Ulrich Sander

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Knowledge of the amount of violence tolerated by the human body is essential when developing and implementing pedestrian safety strategies. When estimating the potential benefits of new countermeasures, the pedestrian fatality risk as a function of impact speed is of particular importance. Although this function has been analysed previously, we state that a proper understanding does not exist. Based on the largest in-depth, pedestrian accident study undertaken to date, we derive an improved risk function for adult pedestrians hit by the front of passenger cars. Our results show far lower fatality risks than generally reported in the traffic safety literature. This discrepancy is primarily explained by sample bias towards severe injury accidents in earlier studies. Nevertheless, a strong dependence on impact speed is found, with the fatality risk at 50 km/h being more than twice as high as the risk at 40 km/h and more than five times higher than the risk at 30 km/h. Our findings should have important implications for the development of pedestrian accident countermeasures worldwide. In particular, the scope of future pedestrian safety policies and research should be broadened to include accidents with impact speeds exceeding 50 km/h.

(my bold)

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I wish I had the time to read through that stuff in detail. On the face of it, however, there seems to be little account taken of advances in car design over the years. He cites earlier studies where more people died, and makes cursory mention of improved medical facilities and response times, but no mention (as far as I could see) of the enormous improvements in pedestrain protection standards of cars from the late 1990s, following the introduction of te "Pedestrian Protection Directive. If you add to that the uncertainties (which he acknowledges) in determining impact speed with any great degree of accuracy and I'm not sure there are that many conclusions that can be drawn!

Still, if it's been peer-reviewed, it's probably fine! :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 21:46 
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Well, I found it a bit like a breath of fresh air after some of the hideously biased stuff I've seen in recent years.

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Still doesn't get round the fact that impact speed has little to do with free flowing speed.

Shouldn't the emphasis be on avoiding impacts altogether anyway?


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Aren't you guys being a wee bit harsh?
They have made an honest attempt to produce an unbiased quantification of the relationship between impact speed and fatalities, which, according to the title of their paper, is exactly what they set out to do.
It may not tell anything like the full story, but that was not the intention. What it does do is take a lot of the wind out of the sails of the velociphobes, and that has to be a step in the right direction.

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Pete317 wrote:
Aren't you guys being a wee bit harsh?


Pete, did you really expect " .. a strong dependence on impact speed is found, with the fatality risk at 50 km/h being more than twice as high as the risk at 40 km/h and more than five times higher than the risk at 30 km/h." to go down well on this forum?

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dcbwhaley wrote:
Pete, did you really expect " .. a strong dependence on impact speed is found, with the fatality risk at 50 km/h being more than twice as high as the risk at 40 km/h and more than five times higher than the risk at 30 km/h." to go down well on this forum?


Well, 8% is twice as high as 4%, and more than 5 times as high as 1%. That sentence really says less than nothing - which leads me to suspect that they only included it in order to 'facilitate' the publication of their paper.

You have to admit that their ~8% at 50km/h is much better than the 40-60% quoted in other studies.

Besides, when on this forum has anyone seriously suggested that there isn't a strong relationship between impact speed and injury levels?

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Pedestrian fatality risk as a function of car impact speed - Erik Rosén?, Ulrich Sander
Autoliv Research, Wallentinsvägen 22, 447 83, Vårgårda, wrote:
It is true that Ashton (1982) included fatality rates at different speed ranges from pedestrian accident investigations in Great Britain during the 1960s and 1970s. However, Ashton et al. have specifically pointed out that, due to sample bias, these fatality rates did not give a fair description of the total population of accidents (Ashton et al., 1977; Ashton, 1982).
This is rather interesting. I was not aware that it could be considered that there was any sample bias for the Ashton stats ! I wonder why he thinks that ? It was deliberately collective over a wide crash range as far as I have read. S is his dismissal correct?

I will have to read the rest later. Interesting for sure.

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Pete317 wrote:
Besides, when on this forum has anyone seriously suggested that there isn't a strong relationship between impact speed and injury levels?


Nearly every time that weepje says that there is :evil:

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dcbwhaley wrote:
Nearly every time that weepje says that there is :evil:


No. He tries to argue that there's a strong relationship between injury levels and travelling speed, not impact speed.

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Ancient history, apparently!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/new ... risks.html


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Pete317 wrote:
No. He tries to argue that there's a strong relationship between injury levels and travelling speed, not impact speed.


My stars.

Sophistry has reached a new level!


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weepej wrote:
Sophistry has reached a new level!


Careful SS doesn't start charging you for advertising your services

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ANTI-SPEEDING FIGURES GREATLY EXAGGERATED

Campaign detailing probability of death at 30mph was based on 1970s numbers, DfT admits


The Department for Transport has revealed that the government's long-running Think! road safety campaign greatly exaggerated the chance of a pedestrian dying when being hit by a car at certain speeds.

The campaign suggested that a car travelling at 30mph had a 20 per cent chance of killing any pedestrian it hit, while at 40mph the probability of death rose to 80 per cent.

But these figures are based on data from the 1970s - since when both car safety design and emergency medical have improved markedly - and latest research now puts the chance of pedestrian death at 31 per cent at 40 mph and just 7 per cent at 30 mph.

Mike Penning, the road safety minister, said: "Road safety is a priority for the Government, but misleading statistics only serve to undermine our case, not help it".

What's most interesting is that the newer figures actually mean it is proportionately even more dangerous to pedestrians for cars to travel at 40mph in urban areas. The old figures meant you were four times more likely to be killed if hit by a car at 40mph than 30mph - the latest figures make death 4.5 times more likely if hit at 40mph, even though the probability of death or serious injury is severely reduced in both cases.

The Government criticised Labour for not releasing the updated information sooner, but accepted that the previous administration had originally used the figures in good faith.



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Ooops, sorry! Didn't make the connection!

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