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Yes, but only for that moment: "low limits & 30creep"


You cannot dispute the possibility that your ability to judge speed from indirect observations is better than average; I suspect it is. It must be better than mine (I sometimes inadvertently creep over).


What about after the terminal signs?

Repeaters not necessarily needed in a 30


It's common sense (well, so I think anyway). Who sets out to break a law, especially one that effectively removes 1/4 of one's entitlement to drive for three years? I know I don't.
Would you like to set up a poll on this forum to get a good indication? Some might say the population of this forum should yield a positive skew


I don't think so. VAS is good for those who suffer a lapse in concentration in one specific area of driving, or those who are more concerned with potential hazards ahead instead of the position of a needle on a dial. Remember, this applies itself very well to "low limits & 30creep".


People have exceeded the limit, as indicated by the speedo, during their test and still passed (I'm sure there is a member who claimed to have done that).
Sure one can fail the test for exceeding the speed limit, but can one fail for doing a genuine and legal 23 when the speedo is reading 31-32? (legislation allows this amount of error)

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I can see that most people who have replied to my original posting have never driven through North Wales, ever.

The 15 mile stretch of road I am very familiar with - the A548 - has speed limit signs going something like this; 30,50,40,30,20,30,40,50,40,30,50,40,50, and finally 40. This is no exaggeration! Each limit has a speed camera. I have diligently stuck to the limits but inevitably sooner or later - as I have driven this route many times - one slip of concentration and BANG! a speeding fine for being 6 mph over one of the limits. Most people I speak to in that area have had at least one fine in the past 3 years

Now please tell me the amount of mental concentration required to regard all these signs and not actually hit anything in the process!

I have driven along this road so have some idea of what you are talking about. I do recall the odd stretch of as well, but that may have disappeared in the past couple of years. A further factor is that the relationship of the speed limits to the level of development seems distinctly arbitrary, so some of the s are more built up than some stretches of .

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are there 14 mobile units or 14 fixed cameras on the road

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I count 14 in ottersteve 's post, so you seem to be in agreement with him? You both know the road well; better than me for sure.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

TBH never been on that road as far as i know, just asking the op to clarify if they are fixed or mobile camera sites, surprised that the 20 has a camera

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The 'Deceleration and trauma' issues warranted their own thread, which have now been split into here.

The 'What is important about remaining within limits?' issue also warranted its own thread, which has now been split into here.

The "Motorways and 'speed for conditions'' issues have also been split off, into here.

The "Braking 'force' and speed'' issue has been split off, into here.

From a foreigner's point of view the traffic in the United Kingdom feels frightening. Millions of cars are driving relatively fast on narrow roads in a limited geographical area, and the visibility in town crossings is sometimes poor.

I was driving in Britain in July for the first time since 1985, and I thought that a driver has to be very heavy speeder in some other country, if he wants to get the same feeling of fear, what he gets in Britain, when he drives with legal speed in typical conditions.

It is difficult to compare speed limits in different countries, but the 40 mph speed limit in Britain, for instance, would be perhaps 25 – 31 mph speed limit in Finland. And there are 15 times more motor vehicles in Britain than in Finland. It means, that the difference in speed limits should be vice versa.

Here is a video of a flashing speed table on a street in Helsinki. The speed limit is 18,4 mph (30 km/h). Not one of the cars obey the speed limit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQMR-70XntQ

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Of course, a foreigner's point of view driving within your country could be the total reverse: far too slow and sleep inducing.

However, it seems the feeling of some within your own country could well be out of touch with the general populous.......


Do you think each and every one of those drivers are hardened criminals who are keen to break the law, or are they simply reasonable people ignoring an unreasonable speed limit?

There is a saying that is often used on this forum:
The normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable person should be considered legal.
Do you agree with, or dispute, that sentiment?

Even flashing signs won't work well if they are used within areas of badly set limits.

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That does seem to be a ridiculously low limit for that type of road, from what bit of it that can be seen of it, which is borne out from the reaction of the MAJORITY of shown drivers to it. Generally the Finns have reputation of being good drivers and I believe that their test is quite demanding, with skidpan testing being part of it is it not?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Hi anchor and

I hope you stick around. It's nice to get opinions and information from other countries and learn from what others do.

Best wishes

Tony

How cold is it there now?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Thank you.

The details of traffic control policy are different in different countries, but the universal trend seems to be common. Slower speed limits, more traffic cameras, and more speeding tickets.

Telegraph.co.uk:

A total of 1,462,235 speeding fines were handed out to drivers in England and Wales in 2007. The number of tickets handed out was double the 712,753 issued in 1997.

hs.fi:

Over 300,000 speeding tickets were were handed out to drivers in Finland in 2009. The number of tickets handed out was more than double the 133,000 issued in 2006. A new records is expected in this year.

It took ten years to double the number of speeding tickets in Britain but only three years in Finland. Over 300,000 speeding tickets is 6 % of the population of Finland (5,200,00), and 1,462,235 speeding tickets is 2,7 % of the population of England and Wales (53,390,300). This simple calculation shows that the risk to get a speeding ticket in Finland is about two times bigger than in England and Wales.

I have got 11 speeding tickets and three admonitions for speeding and one ticket for a car registration violation and one ticket for causing a small traffic accident (the real reason for this ticket was more complicated). The latest ticket for speeding was given three months ago. I have driven about 1,000,000 miles mainly in Finland but also in most European countries (including Canary Islands) and in Israel and in the USA. I drove a car first time in England in 1976, when I stayed three months in Folkestone, and had my own (grandmother's, to be exact) car with me. The next time was in 1984, when I made a trip to Scotland, and the next time was in the following year. After that I did not drive in England until last summer.


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The first snow is expected in 2-4 weeks.

There are some opinions of traffic in these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ticketedable