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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:32 
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Journalist left unable to walk or talk after accident gets £1m
Thursday, 4 November 2010
A journalist knocked down while allegedly texting on his mobile phone near Belfast has received more than £1m in compensation.
Milan Rybansky (34) suffered serious brain injuries that have left him unable to walk or talk since the accident nearly six years ago.
His lawyers have now secured a payout of £1.125m for him in a landmark settlement reached at the Northern Ireland High Court yesterday.
Although believed to be the largest-ever compensation case involving a Slovakian national, the amount was reduced to reflect his share of responsibility for what happened.
Mr Rybansky was crossing the Mallusk Road in Newtownabbey when he was struck by a car in December 2004.

It was not disputed that he was using his mobile phone at the time, with a witness suggesting he was using it to text.
The trained journalist had moved to Belfast six weeks before the collision.
Fluent in three languages, he also worked as a history teacher in his native country.
But due to the seriousness of his injuries he is now confined to a wheelchair and has only limited use of his hands.
Mr Rybansky was repatriated to his home near Bratislava, where he requires 24-hour care.
His parents, who were forced to sell their home and give up work to look after him, brought an action on his behalf against the insurers of the motorist involved in the collision.
At first the case was disputed on the basis that Mr Rybansky was at fault for the accident because he was using his phone.
However, an agreement was eventually reached to share liability because it was accepted the driver should also have seen him.

Mr Rybansky's lawyer, Joe Moore of O'Reilly Stewart Solicitors in Belfast, said the settlement reflected the seriousness of his client's injuries and the fact he will never work again.
The scale of the compensation has now been approved by the High Court after checks were carried out on how the money would be managed in Slovakia.
Mr Moore, who travelled to the central European country as part of his handling of the case, described it as “a life changing” outcome for Mr Rybansky.
He said: “But for the compensation claim the outlook for Milan's family was very bleak.
“It now allows them to purchase a proper car to transport him and a proper house, given that he needs 24-hour care to give him some quality of life.
“The important thing for the family, and it has taken a lot of effort to get to this point, is that they are now able to pay for the things that are important to Milan now and in the future, particularly the medical care.”

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World's gone compo crazy . Motorist found texting is automatically guilty . yet ped ,with mind fully on text mode , is relieved of responsibilities

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The Apes have indeed taken over the Zoo :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 01:05 
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botach wrote:
World's gone compo crazy . Motorist found texting is automatically guilty . yet ped ,with mind fully on text mode , is relieved of responsibilities


Of course. Don't you realise that, if only the big bad motorist stuck to the letter of the law and never exceeded the speed limit, pedestrians would always be safe as houses, regardless of what they did. :roll:

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Pete317 wrote:
Of course. Don't you realise that, if only the big bad motorist stuck to the letter of the law and never exceeded the speed limit, pedestrians would always be safe as houses, regardless of what they did. :roll:


Perhaps if the motorist took the trouble to look at the road in front of him he wouldn't run into pedestrians, texting or not.

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Kindly put brain in gear before engaging mouth

Mouth? It is quite clear to anyone with intelligence higher than a slug why a motorist has an unconditional duty of care towards pedestrians, however stupidly they are behaving. Having the ability to easily kill someone does not impart the right to do so.

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dcbwhaley wrote:
Perhaps if the motorist took the trouble to look at the road in front of him he wouldn't run into pedestrians, texting or not.


So you've devised a braking system which can stop any car within a distance of 6 inches from any speed, and before the driver has even realised that there's any need to brake? Why don't you sell your ideas to the car manufacturers and make untold millions.

I'll repeat: put brain in gear before engaging mouth.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 01:37 
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It is quite clear to anyone with intelligence higher than a slug why a motorist has an unconditional duty of care towards pedestrians, however stupidly they are behaving. Having the ability to easily kill someone does not impart the right to do so.


It's quite clear to anyone with intelligence higher than an amoeba why a pedestrian has an unconditional duty of care towards themselves, as the laws of physics cannot be repealed just because some people might wish it to be so.
Putting it bluntly, a moving vehicle requires a finite amount of time and space to stop.
I'm not suggesting that vehicle drivers don't have a duty of responsibility towards other road users, but merely pointing out that it's only pedestrians who can guarantee their safety 100%. Nobody else can - because of the immutable laws of physics. That's irrefutable fact.

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dcbwhaley wrote:
botach wrote:
World's gone compo crazy . Motorist found texting is automatically guilty . yet ped ,with mind fully on text mode , is relieved of responsibilities:

What responsibility. Responsibility to get out of the way of a homicidal motorist?

I often wonder ,if you like the rest of C+ would be shouting "HOMICIDIAL " ,if it was a cyclist that had contacted the ped stepping off the pavement ,with only keypad in mind. :wink:

As a pedestrian -I'm responsible for my own safety ,and to ensure that I don't cause others to get into danger over my actions/inactions.
As a cyclist -I'm responsible for my own safety ,and to ensure that I don't cause others to get into danger over my actions/inactions.
As a motorist ,however ,I'm expected to be responsible for my own safety, that of those in the vehicle I'm DRIVING, lookout for the actions/inactions of cyclists and pedestrians . However ,in a reciprocal way , cyclists and pedestrians must also be on the lookout for the failures of those around to take action . So therefore ,any action/inaction of a pedestrian /cyclist also contributes to their own safety ,and they should be held responsible for their actions/inactions ( and the damage caused to other road users).

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Pete317 wrote:
Putting it bluntly, a moving vehicle requires a finite amount of time and space to stop.
I'm not suggesting that vehicle drivers don't have a duty of responsibility towards other road users, but merely pointing out that it's only pedestrians who can guarantee their safety 100%. Nobody else can - because of the immutable laws of physics. That's irrefutable fact.


Anyone with the intelligence of a virus ( :D ) would be aware that no pedestrian can guarantee their safety 100% when there are drivers like this http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/18/rochdale-nightclub-revellers-mown-down-by-stolen-car-115875-22642133/

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dcbwhaley wrote:
Anyone with the intelligence of a virus ( :D ) would be aware that no pedestrian can guarantee their safety 100% when there are drivers like this http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/18/rochdale-nightclub-revellers-mown-down-by-stolen-car-115875-22642133/


And anyone with the intelligence of a lepton would realise that nobody can protect themselves 100% from what really was a deliberate and exceptional attack.

I didn't think I had to qualify what I said in order to convey my meaning of the normal course of events.

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If he'd have suffered these injuries from falling down a set of stairs whilst walking along texting then I wonder who his parents would have sued on his behalf.

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If he'd have suffered these injuries from falling down a set of stairs whilst walking along texting then I wonder who his parents would have sued on his behalf.


That would have been different, as nobody else would have been involved.

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However, an agreement was eventually reached to share liability because it was accepted the driver should also have seen him.


If the above is an accurate representation of what really occurred, then fair play, provided that circumstances were such that the driver should have seen him in good time.
If, on the other hand, the circumstances were such that the driver would not have had the time to avoid the accident even if he had seen him, then the driver cannot be held responsible, or rather should not have been.

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What concernes me about this case is how money might have dominated the proceidngs right from the start.

I can see a scenario where an entirley innocent driver might have been put under considerable presure to "Confess" because if he didnt (and was shown to be innocent) then the "Victim" would have had to be provided with support funds (or not as the case may be) from somewhere other than the drivers insurance company.

(In a similar vein, I have always felt that the shere effort and resourses put into "Proving" that Gerry hart was "Guilty" was in order to protect the highyway authority from considerable expense and embarrassment)

The daft EUSSR idea that having the idea that the driver is "Always guilty" enshrined in law in incidents involving cyclists is basically the same motivation. Cyclists arent generally insured so lets make the insured party guilty! :x

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Both have responsibilities to uphold and both parties clearly failed in this objective.
Very little info is stated about the road or why the driver failed to observe the ped's potential action.


There's a bit of a contradiction there. How can we know that either or both parties clearly failed to uphold their responsibilities, when we have no knowledge of the circumstances which led to the collision?

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Both have responsibilities to uphold and both parties clearly failed in this objective.
Very little info is stated about the road or why the driver failed to observe the ped's potential action.
There's a bit of a contradiction there. How can we know that either or both parties clearly failed to uphold their responsibilities, when we have no knowledge of the circumstances which led to the collision?
My initial thought was 'because they hit each other', but upon some consideration, you have a point.
I suppose there is a chance that either or one, thought that it was safe, although - how can they be that close (must have been due to resulting accident), and consider it to be safe ?
Let's go over it ....
We can assume for sake of argument that the witnesses stating that he had been thought to be 'texting' implies he was not looking and busy (I would guess) head down and not looking about, otherwise why step out in front of a car, unless you wished to be injured or die?
So that leaves us with the car driver, we can also assume that he didn't want to hit anyone, so we must assume (surely) that he missed important clue's for whatever reason.
No I think I am right - hence the both clearly failed .... can you see how either one night have been paying enough attention in any way, and still crash ?

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From a driver's perspective, there are places where it's possible for a pedestrian to be entirely hidden from the road until one is very close, and deceptive places as well. For example, where you have a narrow (or non-existent) pavement, and a gap in the adjacent wall which cannot easily be seen from the approach (the driver sees a continuous wall). Also locations where something like the angle of the sun plays tricks on the driver's eyes. There are also places where, due to the road type or layout, or simply because of misplaced familiarity, the driver doesn't expect to see pedestrians, so doesn't look out for them.

From a pedestrian's perspective, there are places where, due to a lack of delineation or markings, one might not realise that they're stepping into the road. And also places where they simply don't expect to see vehicles (contra-flow bus lanes and bus-only 'roads' in pedestrianised areas are examples of this)

The way I look at it is:

a) it's very rare for a pedestrian to step into the road heedless of traffic
b) it's also very rare for a driver to drive along heedless of potential hazards
c) pedestrian collisions are themselves very rare events (thankfully)

Most pedestrian collisions are down to either a) or b). But because a) and b) are both rare events, it must be much rarer still to have both a) and b) coincide in time and space, especially given c). It's rarer still for collisions to happen despite both a) and b) being absent, but even these can and do happen.

Until we know exactly what happened in this particular case, we can only speculate and we cannot say that one or both parties was clearly in the wrong. Given the above, it's far more likely, statistically speaking, that only one was at fault. But we just don't know.

EDIT: OK, I've thought about it a bit more, and:

1) it's possible that most pedestrian collisions might be as a result of both a) and b) above, the reasoning being that c) might be of a similar rarity to a) and b) occurring together. In other words, an alert driver should be able to avoid a collision in most cases of a) but not all - so in most collisions there's, statistically speaking, also an element of b)

2) I'm actually hard-pressed to think of any scenario of type b) only, ie where the driver is 100% to blame. (except, of course, in cases where the vehicle mounts the pavement etc)

It's certainly worthwhile discussing this further.

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:gatso2: We seem to be engaging in semantics here and as such, we're losing sight of the major issue. I know about this Mallusk Road where this accident occured, having worked close to it a few years ago. It is at times a very busy, straight road due to the fact it runs through an industrial area which is comprised of vehicle showrooms, factories, plumbers merchants and a DVLA test centre. So, it goes without saying the road is busy with heavy commercial traffic. And it's also a feeder road into a motorway. There are few zebra crossings there and I don't mind saying, crossing that road scared me often enough.

Secondly, When using public transport through Belfast city centre, I have lost count of the number of times that bus drivers have to slam on the brakes to avoid having a mobile phone using pedestrian scraped off the front of their bus. They usually give the offending pedestrian a good blast on the horn and are met with mouthed, "Sorry..sorry, very sorry." Or a two fingered salute.

Not only that , two years ago,I was driving along the Shore Road at Jordanstown and stopped at a set of traffic lights. The lights turned green and what should happen but an idiot pedestrian who was using a mobile at the time, just ambles across the crossing as we' motorists were about to move off. This didn't please the driver of a black Volkwagen Golf who blasted the horn at the fool with the mobile. All to no avail. He was more concerned about his phone call.

More recently, I had to contend with a stupid hoodie who staggered backwards and then ran onto the road right in front of me. He seemed to think it was highly amusing. I am now always wary of pedestrians, particularly the ones who walk right on top of the kerbstones. I never know if or when they will step onto the road.

It's not illegal for a pedestrian to use a mobile phone on a pavement or a road, so I don't think there is any way the law can legislate against this. So of course, the motorist is to always to blame.

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It's not illegal for a pedestrian to use a mobile phone on a pavement or a road, so I don't think there is any way the law can legislate against this.


Nor should it. I have yet to grasp the difference, whether walking or driving, between talking into a mobile phone and talking to a companion. Neither activity requires you to close your eyes to your surroundings. Indeed, because many people cannot talk to a companion without looking at them, that might be considered to be the more dangerous activity. The law should ban talking except in private :D

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I have yet to grasp the difference, whether walking or driving, between talking into a mobile phone and talking to a companion.

There is a big difference between txting into a mobile phone and talking to a companion.

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Neither activity requires you to close your eyes to your surroundings.


The question is whether or not the conversation closes your mind to the task of driving. This would , in effect, close your eyes as well (looks but does not see)

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Indeed, because many people cannot talk to a companion without looking at them, that might be considered to be the more dangerous activity.


That's one of my pet hates as well. I suppose it could be argued that one has to know when it's safe to take one's eyes (or mind) off the road, but that's a highly contentious subject.

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