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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 09:12 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11863388

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Plans to give Scotland new powers to control a third of its budget are due to be unveiled, under new legislation.

The UK government's Scotland Bill will allow Holyrood to raise half its income tax and devolve powers in several other areas.

Scottish Secretary Michael Moore said the bill would mark the biggest transfer of fiscal power to Scotland since the creation of the UK.

But Scotland's SNP government said full fiscal autonomy was needed.

The Scotland Bill, to be launched in Edinburgh, follows the findings of the Calman Commission review of devolution.

Under the recommendations, the UK Treasury would deduct 10p from standard and upper rates of income tax in Scotland and give MSPs the power to decide how to raise cash.

The new powers would be combined with a cut in the block grant, currently about £30bn, which Scotland gets from the UK government.

Scotland already has the ability to vary income tax by 3p in the pound, although the so-called tartan tax has never been used.

Stamp duty and landfill tax are also likely to be devolved, but it emerged at the weekend that plans to hand over powers on the aggregates levy and aviation tax have been put on hold.

Mr Moore said the first tax was currently subject to a dispute in the European courts, while the latter was under review by the UK government.

The Scottish secretary said the handover of new powers - set to happen in 2015 - would address concerns that the Scottish Parliament is not accountable enough for the cash it spends.

"The transfer of these powers will allow Scottish ministers to make decisions which are responsive to Scotland's needs," he said.

"That is exactly the relationship devolution was designed to deliver between the two parliaments and will see more flexibility for Scotland's police forces to create national strategies to keep Scots safe when it comes to air weapons, drink-driving and speed limits."

But the Scottish government argued the new financial powers would actually cost Scotland more money.

The announcement of the bill comes after the SNP published a list of 18 Scottish businessmen and economists who criticised the "limited" Calman recommendations, including Jim McColl, of Clyde Blowers, hotelier Stewart Spence and former Scottish Enterprise chief Crawford Beveridge.

SNP MSP Linda Fabiani, who sits on the Scottish Parliament's finance committee, said: "These Tory tax changes fall far short of what Scotland needs and would have slashed £900m from Scotland's budget over the last three years.

"Before the Scotland Bill has been published, the Tory government has admitted it is withholding £150m of taxes that should be devolved to Scotland - on top of the £1.3bn they are cutting from Scottish spending next year.

"The Tories, aided and abetted by Labour and the Lib Dems, are about to introduce legislation which will result in Scotland being worse off."

The Scotland Bill is also likely to allow the Scottish Parliament to take control of national speed limits, drink-driving laws and airguns legislation.

The UK government has chosen St Andrew's Day to launch the bill - the planned date for the Scottish government's independence referendum, which was dropped because of a lack of parliamentary support.

Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems said parties which rejected independence won 80% of the vote in the 2007 Scottish election.

The three opposition groups said they now expected SNP ministers to make time for an early debate on the bill at Holyrood.


Some MSP on R4 has already hinted that speed limits on the A9 "need" lowering, "as the recent snowy weather has shown" :?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 18:43 
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"as the recent snowy weather has shown" :?


This one had me rolling on the floor with laughter.....so it's proof beyond all doubt, that the people in "the know" and know better than us mere mortals, actually believe that a speed LIMIT, is actually an ADVISORY speed to travel no matter what...no wonder road safety is as bad as it is.

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"as the recent snowy weather has shown" :?


This one had me rolling on the floor with laughter.....so it's proof beyond all doubt, that the people in "the know" and know better than us mere mortals, actually believe that a speed LIMIT, is actually an ADVISORY speed to travel no matter what...no wonder road safety is as bad as it is.


Graball - move over - make room - I'd like to roll around . :roll: :wink: (can some mod find me a non elderly ,preferably female person , of non geriatric age to roll around with us -two would be nice - one for GB , ONE FOR ME ) . ( Claire - you're also invited to make up the difference )

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There are various issues with this. Scotland cannot possibly afford (without costing every person living in Scotland a massive increase in Tax) to run all of it's own research. In many cases there is usually little wrong with National research.
To replicate what the UK needs by simply being able to be 'individual' is potentially extremely expensive exercise.
They say they got 80 percent of the vote but LESS than 25% of the Scottish residents actually bothered to even go and vote - no one I heard (media) or spoke to for one minute believed that they would succeed. At the time there were many questions proposed about if the vote should be dismissed as so few people turned out. It was 'sold' in the Cities as a 'vote for Scotland' and few had any concept about how expensive and how much it would cost ! Hollyrude is a fine example of the complete waste of money they are capable of spending !

To start charging their own tax will probably see the end of independence as people will start to feel the pressure of this extremely costly devolution. It makes no economic sense in such a small Country to double up on issues.
As for Scotland setting it's own speed limits this will just go to line pockets and as already clearly shown is nothing to do with road safety.
The A9 needs in many places to be upgraded to a dual carriageway not reduce the speed. If people make mistakes and some are foreign drivers ... this will do nothing to help improve observation of skills or abilities !

Independence for the sake of it is a massive white elephant.

We must have consistent road rules and regulations not know that as you take a road that keep crossing the 'border', one speed is legal and in another moment illegal ! Utter non-sense.

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I too heard the daft woman rebuke the R4 presenter yesterday, about the serious issue of the A9 speed limits and the need to review them due to 'over taking' and 'jack-knifed lorries in the snow'. I does not bode well for any kind of rational debate on the subject.

It is therefore inevitable that the rural economy (tourists trundling about etc) and snow falling from time to time will require a 50mph (if we are lucky) NSL. I guess the 70mph M-ways will survive the next wave of idiotic decision making since in Scotland they have '70' signs rather than the derestricted signs?

I expect the 1/3 lie, a few crusty old profs, the AA, RAC and a submission or two from Brake will nail the lid shut on the fate of Scottish roads, with a garnish of SPECS3 to make sure the insane new lollipop numbers can be enforced.

Can you tell this is pissing me off yet? :(

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The UK Government have been very clever in giving these extended powers to the Scottish parliament. Remember that these are the excellent managers who estimated the cost of their building at £40M but ended up spending £450M.

1. Allowing them to set their own taxation level and their grandiose spending plans will mean that the Scots will end up paying higher income tax than the English.

2. The drink drive limit will inevitably be lowered (well, you don't think they will raise it do you?) leading to the criminalisation of a lot of reasonable middle class voters.

3. Speed limits will also be lowered making Scotland much less attractive to businesses needing to distribute their goods.

That should scupper the SNP pretty fast. The Scots don't seem to realise that us English subsidise their government expenditure so they can have free care for the elderly and no student fees. But not for long.

Just don't be an English driver who has had one drink, has an air gun in the boot and is going up the main road to Scotland at 70mph. Instantly you will change from a law abiding citizen to a child killing drunk maniac on the way to Dunblane.

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I too heard the daft woman rebuke the R4 presenter yesterday, about the serious issue of the A9 speed limits and the need to review them due to 'over taking' and 'jack-knifed lorries in the snow'. I does not bode well for any kind of rational debate on the subject.


Now, I know that I am totally clueless about road safety, safe driving or anything like that, so I would love this woman to explain to someone as thick as me, how reducing the speed limit from 60MPH is going to stop lorries jack knifing when they are limited to 40MPH on single carriageway roads, which I believe that the A9 is and how lowering the NSL to probably 50MPH, is going to make driving in snow and overtaking safer....I'm sure that she can put my troubled mind at ease... ;-)

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It's not your troubled mind that needs putting at ease.
It's her troubled mind that needs to be forced to work.
And didn't I read somewhere that, in the event of total devolution, the Scots would be taking the English to the EU courts for the return of the hundreds of billions in stolen oil revenues ?
Of course...if the English gov then ceded from the EU..... (even supposing that both it and the euro may soon be history)

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Can you tell this is pissing me off yet? :(
If you’re half as racked-off as me then I’m twice as racked-off as you David. :(

I have always respected Scotland for being way ahead of us in terms of good or better legislation; age of criminal responsibility, house gazumping protection etc. etc. Over the years I’ve heard countless snippets where we, England, do things differently and worse so this is something of a blow for Scottish common sense IMO.

The speed kills infection is turning into a pandemic! :x

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Big Tone wrote:
The speed kills infection is turning into a pandemic! :x


pig 'flu? :bunker: :D

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