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I picked this quote out of one of Basingwerk's (ironically) against-the-forum-rules diatribes in the Anonymous forum..



While I regard this comment as verging on the actionable, surely at this time it should be clear that it is disrespect for the policy makers, their policies and those who support and enforce them that is being shown. This is quite a different thing from advocating lawlessness.

If you cannot agree that it is ok to criticise the law and policy makers then perhaps Basingwerk you should go and have a word with opposition politicians on the campaign trails.....

If the laws were "respectable", then we would not be complaining about it.

Do we complain about the rest of the criminal laws...No. Thats because they are dealing with a major transgression against society.

I am sure that the persecution of the motorist, including so called traffic calming and the raping of our roads with cross hatched areas is the governments way of dealing with the UK traffic crisis. Rather than spend the excess billions they cream from the motorist on improving the transport network, they are intent on trying to "force" us to use the underfunded, dirty, smelly expensive joke that is public transport.

Thats my spleen vented....Ahhhhh

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Disrespect is one thing.



Crticism is something completely different; one can criticise without being disrespectful.

Democracy works because people are free to criticise the law and campaign to change it. Nonetheless, failure to obey the law in the mean time is disrespectful and should not be encouraged.
I am in absoultely no doubt that some individuals are drawn to this site because they mistakenly believe it is encouraging disobedience of and therefore disrespect towards the law with regards 'speeding'.

True, you can criticise without being disrespectful. As a new member to this site, I was drawn by an opportunity to post my views on the current road traffic legislation, which is some respects is absolutely ridiculous. This does not mean I advocate breaking the law, its the ridulous robotic enforcement of stupid speed limits that gets my goat. A lot of the time, speed limits are unreasonable, and scameras are placed for clearly revenue gathering purposes and do nothing to promote safe driving. Additionally the proliferation of humps winds me up, as I find as an experienced driver, too much of my time is spent concentrating on lining up with these carbuncles, rather than using my peripheral vision to observe hazards like children running towards the road.

I completely agree with rigorous enforcement in built up (ie residential) environments, where a 20/30 mph limit is appropriate. I suppose if where these lower limits are in place if everyone stuck to 20mph, there would be no need for traffic calming!

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"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute."

Absoultely agree mate. That's why I'm here too

I agree with you both. My point is that certain impudent members are trying to equate disrespect for the law, advocating breaking the law and criticism of the law with each other in an attempt to discredit the SafeSpeed campaign (dirty politics!!)

Disrespect for the law makers is another thing again....

In spite of your insolence, r11co, this is an innovative idea, so well done for that! It is definitely ok to criticise the law and policy and policy makers and all that. It is most definitely NOT to break the law. Disrespect of the law is routinely communicated here in ways that cannot be passed off as simple criticism, but in ways that encourage people to think that it is ok to break the law, as if the laws are for guidance only, and only fools obey them.

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Laws are like people. If they want respect they have to earn it, not demand it.

A law earns respect by being fair and reasonable, and reflecting a need to serve society in a useful way. Once respected it will be obeyed by all except those who deserve to be punished.

Laws that simply demand respect for no other reason than their existence, will never gain the respect of the public, and the best that can be hoped for is temporary begrudging compliance under the direct threat of punishment.

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I quite agree with JT here.

Unfortunately there is absolutely no respect being given at all towards motorists - the messages are very clear:

You are obviously too stupid to be able to judge what is safe, so we will pick a number almost at random, take away 20, stick it on a plate and that will be the maximum speed allowed. We know that this speed is safe for even the most stupid of you on a dark night, in freezing fog, with black ice everywhere, so it must be safe in all conditions. Do not excede it ever, we have spoken and there is to be no debate.

You naughty, naughty child, how dare you go faster than that number we stuck on a plate, we knew you were stupid and we have evidence! Yes we know that you haven't had an accident in 30 years but that must have been lucky. Yes we know that it is against all principles of law to make you incriminate yourself, but we will make the punishment for failing to do so as bad as the penalty for owning up. So is it the right hand or the left that you want cut off?

What do you mean by questioning the accuracy of our equipment? It is perfect - look we have a certificate somewhere that prooves it. Don't trouble us with your boring physics that can demonstrate that our machines can sometimes get it wrong by false reflections or tracking the top of a tyre, or that we sometimes set the flashes to go off 0.7 seconds apart and then tell you that the photos are taken 0.5 seconds apart, or that our laser can track a brick wall at 56 mph. And those stories about trucks being accused of doing 40 in a 30 when the calibrated tacho says 26, or high powered subarus being recorded at much higher speeds than the limited engine allows, they must be fabrications because we are not wrong.

In fact I am so certain that you are wrong that I am not even going to enter the debate. So I will only allow you to contact me via a PO Box when our lottery cameras pick you out at random. No Phone, no Email because that means acknowledgement that you might have something valid to say. Oh and we know the Royal mail doesn't know how to deliver post, so unless you use the most expensive rates we will refuse to acknowledge that it was delivered - unless you have sent us that cheque of course. But everybody knows that stuff we send you always gets there despite us always using the cheap rate post, and if you try that old "it got lost in the post" well you must be telling fibs.

And my mates who set taxes have come up with a great one - the planet in going to turn into a presure cooker because of CO2, and the only option is to restrict emissions, and even you stupid motorists know that cars put out CO2, so to stop you doing it we will tax you at 300% on fuel. The real laugh is that heating houses, and offices and factories puts out more CO2 than cars do, and we won't tax that as much because it is only the CO2 from cars that does the damage. But the real fun part is that aeroplanes put out tons and tons of the stuff streight into the very place where it does the most damage and we won't tax them at all! In fact we like them so much that we are going to encourage expansion of airports so that we can have more of them flying around! But the motorist will be too stupid to notice...