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Apart from the lack of rigour in the survey, I think that this demonstrates the, IMO realistic, view that the general public have of speeding tickets.

- They are almost arbitrary.
- It is bad luck if you get one.
- The offence is of no consequence.
- It's just a game to play on the road.

The people who introduced FPNs have brought the legal system in to disrepute.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Instant justice! Here's a ticket, there's no point in appealling, the whole system is designed to discourage you from anything but acquiescing. So cough up and accept the points. Best not to bother kicking up a fuss. We all know you are guilty. You are a motorist. Presumably you have the same disregard for the speed limits as you do for the environment? Yes we are sending out rather a lot of these - it's a licence to print money. Wonderful scheme. So what if the justice system and road safety principles are perverted along the way and it is merely viewed as a way of exploiting motorists? That is not your concern. Now, cheque in the post and licence off to DVLA, now there's a good, compliant citizen.


As controversial as it sounds, I have no problem with people taking points for others. I have not done it myself and would not. Perverting the course of justice is rather serious, after all, and not something I am eager to engage in, but as long as everyone involved keeps their mouth shut it doesn't bother me in the slightest if people do it. The authorities do anything but play fair, why shouldn't people follow their lead? I do not view the way in which tickets are issued, cameras or how speed limit enforcement is just a business and a nice little revenue stream for the government as anything other than a perversion of justice. I think given the nature of the system and how questionable it is, it is inevitable people will fight back. It's the blitz mentality. When we are under attack, we come together and assist one another. I would imagine accepting points on behalf of someone, is, however, confined mainly to within families. As Chris Huhne found out, you really have to trust someone.

I think you are spot on, Malcolm. Most people, whether they would admit as much publically or not, view speeding tickets as you have suggested. Which is troubling, really, as they then persumably view the justice system in the same light. It does indeed call law into disrepute. I am against forms of 'instant justice'. I have no problem with a copper standing up in a court of law under oath and giving his opinion of how someone was driving but merely a box on a stick? No. I do not think that has the capabilities to discern what is or is not a contravention of the law. In my opinion, anyway.

Maybe so, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if some forks were making money out of doing it, remember when it was easily possible to take a driving test for someone else? If the accused was on 9 points how much would that be worth to some? Now if say there was someone who maybe had a license, but didn't drive at all, they could easily keep the points tally on 9 points for a lil bit of extra (tax free) income!

I feel I ought to be outraged by that sort of behavior (taking points for another), but like the good DoktorMandrake, I'm TBH not really that bothered, sad but true.

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Of course people are making money out of it. There was a chap the other day who had got hundreds or thousands of people off in Burnley I believe and claimed his motives were altruistic. However, the real crooks, in my eyes, are the government. They are profiting handsomely as they have done for years in what amounts to a lurcative stratergy that compromises road safety, errodes respect for the authorities, alienates motorists and calls justice into question.

Unfortunately, it is hard to be bothered about people trying to safeguard their livlihoods, keep their licences clean and avoid bans by any means necessary when we all know how what the system is really about.

I am adding in the Article here This whole system is misrepresenting road safety and skewing results in every direction from the top down! Perhaps this is the 40th negative effect of having speed cameras spread out all over the rod network. It is a truly disgusting mess!

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