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Greetings all

I maybe a new user but I have been a fan of Safe Speed for a while. I have an SS logo in my car (real stickers to buy would be good).

I want to make a couple of points. I guess that this forum has become more popular since the Election campaigns began. I will not vote labour this time as their blind ignorant arrogance has caused this mess.

2 things

1. Road saftey affects EVERYONE. Many voters including myself would vote for an anti camera party.

2. The scamera policy, that is costling lives in it current manifestation, is an indication that the government is very ill. Some people tell me the scamera issue is trivial but if it effects everyone it must be done right. I feel well briefed on this subject thanks to paul (and others) and it is clear that facts are being sidelined for a revenue collection system. "Just say you don't have enough money for the police don't steal it."

Now I don't know who to vote for they all seem a bit dodgy but howard is making some of the right noises.

Cheers

Manny

I hate the idea that i may have to vote for one party over another party just to save lives on the road.

Well the choice amongst big 3 Parties in England on cameras are:-

a Labour for cameras
b LibDem for more (want to reduce congestion through charging).
c Conservatives want to review and remove those not improving safety

of these the libDems are the least driver friendly of the bunch.

Of course there are many other factors that drive the choice but I am voting Conservative because of the lesson from history that the longer a party is in power the more awful govt we get.

Most of the abuses of power by Tone only happen because of the vast 160 majority he has.

Conservatives in 80/90s were good for first two terms but got arrogant and lost the plot in 3rd and 4th terms. We need checks and balances on power and a change of govt would be best.

More i see about motoring , the more i and my family will vote tory to up se tone the nark

Sorry for being slightly off topic but I'm afraid that at the present the Scamera issue has had to take a back seat in this Election in favour of the planned ID Card legislation. I would strongly advise all posters here to have a look at the proposed bill at www.homeoffice.gov.uk.
I won't spoil it for you by going into too much detail, but I'm not happy at the thought of being 'Ordered' by the Home Secretary to 'Attend at an appointed time and place' to be fingerprinted and photographed. Nor do I like the idea of having to tell the government, or face a fine, if I move house.

Black Cloud

I'm doing nothing wrong so no one needs to know.

Black Cloud -sleepy times over - MAY 5 -
could it be election day???

Order your MP to go get a P45 - USE YOUR VOTE.

Yes, it is off topic, but very scary. I agree with you completely, about doing nothing wrong so no one needs to know. Unfortunately, this doesn't fit with the control freak goverment we have in power.

They try and SCARE us into accepting ID cards by saying they will stop terrorism and fraud. Well, that didn't stop Madrid, did it. As to fraud, the only way to stop that is to make the banks responsible for all financial loss incured through ID fraud. You can be damn sure they will find a way to stop it pretty sharpish.

They try and SCARE us into accepting scameras - the old well worn "Speed Kills". We all know that its rubbish, but they are so used to spinning stuff to suit themselves, they don't even know when they are telling the truth.

The current government seems to thrive on creating a culture of fear, so that they can ram more privacy/freedom infringing legislation down our collective throats.

Seen the film Minority Report, or ever read 1984. Coming to a county near you soon.

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Readers of this thread should also have a look at:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/election2005.html

Someone on another forum suggested that speed cameras aren't important enough to be an election issue. I tend to agree. But two views appear to me to be important.

Firstly, we might still be able to use the fear of loss of the motorists' vote to get some decent pledges from the present government in the run up to the election. I'm sure as hell going to try.

Secondly, speed cameras as we have them are a symptom of very scary government and should be a warning to everyone.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I agree wholeheartedly.

Did you get that email I cc'd you in on Paul? Excerpts from it were read out on BBC Points West!

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I'm not interested in speed-camera policy. I am interested in road-building policy, and improving certain junctions and major roads. Although as I live in London most of the roads I want improving are governed by Tfl.

Labour have some policies regarding improving some of the roads, and also to introduce car-pooling and better schools transport.

Conservatives possibly have some road-building policies but I don't really trust them to improve public transport as it happens. I also don't think they'd even go as far as I would with road-building schemes.

Lib-Dem seem to have the worst policy of the major three. Only the Greens would probably be worse.

By the way, if they really want to make things better for cyclists in London then some tunnels under the steepest hills would be useful (particularly Hampstead).

My London road-building schemes would include:

- M1 J3 connecting the M1 back to the A1 there
- M1 J4 make this junction two-way
- A406 tunnel system at Henlys Corner (A1 merge and A598 crossing).
- A406 completion between Bounds Green (A109) and Palmers Green (A105) junctions. This might temporarily involve a big one-way system.

Ambitious road schemes:

- East-cross route linking A2 and M25 South via a Bromley and Purley by-pass (must faster route towards the South of London).
- West-cross route link A3220 to M1 via trunk route.
- West-cross route completion Southbound as trunk-route down to A3.

Rail schemes:

- North London Line to have interchange with Northern Line Edgware Branch close to Royal Free Hospital.

- Circular rail-routes close to North Circular and M25, which will interchange with other lines. South-circular not necessary as there are already lines that accomplish that.

Bus schemes:

More "express" routes that make fewer stops.

Taxi schemes:

Facilities for taxi-sharing, which may also include mini-bus sharing.

I'd bring in some tolling to pay for these, but they wouldn't need to be excessive. If everyone who used the roads paid 50p a day in tolls that would already raise quite a lot of revenue.

Of course these schemes are probably more Tfl-related than Parliament-related.

I don't think anyone can afford to be totally blasé about speed camera policy, especially when it is so frequently combined with ludicrous speed limit reductions.

However, if road-building is your primary concern, then why not take a look at the Open Road campaign site?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed