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Quite so The whole thing was designed to try to make me feel as if I'd "got away with something" even though I had done nothing ... I repeat ... nothing wrong, and to leave an impression of "we'll be looking out for you and next time we'll get you" .... Epic fail guys, I just thought you were a pair of tossers, Pinky & Perky with lobotomies ... I really do actually wish I could say otherwise, but I can't.

I fail to see how attempting to intimidate someone who is driving completely within the law, cannot be demonstrated to have made any driving errors, and is driving a completely roadworthy vehicle is going to improve road safety, or anything else

I have a better idea ..... how about stopping & having a word with people who are driving badly? I see people driving badly almost daily, on Monday morning on way to work there was a guy trying to read the part number on the car in front's rear window while rummaging in his glove box not looking where he was going. Last night there was someone double parked outside a row of shops, facing into oncoming traffic with headlights still on, despite there being parking space opposite, too lazy or stupid to even consider parking correctly and crossing the road! Never see any of them pulled though ... is that too hard a concept to grasp? ... pull & have a word with the folks who are driving badly

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Whoa! Whoa! Whoa, Zippo! Steady on! Prosecuting people for driving badly?! Imagine the paper work! It is far easier to just stick a camera up and automatically invoice them for their transgressions. It also means our police force do not have to use their brains. You are either over the limit or you are not. Much easier than them trying to discern what constitutes 'bad' driving. Safer all round if they stick to apprehending some law abiding citizen because their riding buddy was 7mph over the limit and resort to good old fashioned intimidation.

True Dok, would leave a lot less time for parking up munching on bacon butties with a speed gun hanging out the window pretending to do something useful

IMO if you really want to make an appreciable dent in the number of reasonably avoidable RTA's, as a start you'd want to ....
A. Get rid of all the vested interests.
B. Get rid of those who use lies, fear, and intimidation, as a means of controlling behaviour.

That won't be an easy task, maybe even impossible

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Unfortunately I think the problem is systemic. A lot of self-interested people masquerading as safety crusaders are getting very rich. Then you have the police, many of them are amazing individuals, good at their jobs, helpful and serve the public interest to the very best of their abilities. I have had run ins with those who generally seem to care and wish to educate and yet there seems to be a hell of a lot of those automatons who are the living embodiment of the system that reel off speeding fines and pops them in the post. All they are good for is collecting on the speeding tax. In my opinion, anyway. Parking up and munching on bacon butties (isn't that a form of cannibalism? ) would surely be an improvement from chasing those down who are exceeding the speed limit safely and relieving them of their hard earned cash. You also have the type who consider themself a separate and superior creature entirely to Joe Public. This type of copper, I would suggest, is the one you encountered who insisted on carrying out a 'safety inspection' trying to find something to nick you for or issue a ticket. This whole country seems obsessed with releiving people of their money. It's not just the speed camera scam, or letter-of-the-law enforcement. London in general makes me very angry. The way local councils operate -ostensibly in the public good- to part, usually motorists, from their children's inheritance is sometimes staggering. West London is particularly bad - they will stick a CCTV camera up and put a tiny parking restriction sign on a pole. The instant you pull up or step outside your car to walk and read the sign, a £60 ticket is already in the post, and its army of traffic wardens (or 'Civil Enforcement Officers' as they are bizarrely called) are beyond any such thing as an appeal to reason. I have seen them issue a ticket, and then call for a tow truck to remove a vehicle. Surely in the interests of fair play, if a ticket is issued, then you should at least give the owner a chance to return and remove his vehicle before you forcibly remove it. These sort of people should be demoted, shunned and restricted, not promoted, encouraged and rewarded.

put the boot on the other foot pal... you have an attitude .. so you get one back.... I am a biker and have lost mates through no fault of there own... if he had stopped to help you would have been a different story... but no ... you would forget that in a day or so and carry on wining...

as for 102 in a 50 ... they should go to prison... .. i don't care how good he/ she is

I am a biker, I have lost people, but I still expect the police to behave in a certain way, not accost law abiding citizerns and then try to find fault with their vehicles. They used to do that sort of thing in the Eastern Bloc.

Why should he go to prison? The road used to be a 70, and is probably the victim of artificially low limits or those that are seemingly rather arbitrary, so as mentioned he would only be 32 mph over the limit in the past. If the road used to be good for 70, and presumably still is, including reports earlier in the thread from local residents (usually the first to cry nimby and expect 20 zones outside their house) that 70 was fine, then as with a lot of NSL roads, it is probably fine at over 70. Depends on the conditions, density of traffic, flow, visibility and using your brain. Assuming these were all favourable, then why would you ever consider sending someone to jail for speeding? Save jail for the real criminals. There is enough of them without us inventing reasons to incarcerate people.

A few years back I was pulled over by an un marked car, I know I was doing over 100. I'd over taken him apparently, i was also on the phone. Utterly convinced I was facing some severe repercussion I was invited to sit in the back of the patrol car.

I was told that there was nothing wrong with my driving per se but I was 'pushing it' at bit and I really shouldn't be on the phone. I was offered the £30 VPN for the phone usage, which I gladly accepted.

The lesson....some of the police can be reasonable.

whoa - before you get back on road - loose the temper - after 45 years on road ,only thing temper gets is loss of NCB ,AND to a biker ( from my son in law and mates , some par t of your anatomy.).
I you still insist on riing with that attitude ,and do so in the Midlands , please advise those of us who live in that area of your itinery ,so we may avoid you . Suggest you put boot on other foot , before you shoot off .





And pray what was the limit in that part last week . It may have been one of the places that some NIMBY ( OR council officer ,against police advice ) got dropped from to
SO - 102 IN A - then again ,I might ask someone who lives ( or professes to live ) in a greenhouse if they don't throw stones and exceed the limit ,even occasionally ( and in doing so refer you to the sig on one of our mods pages) -(Courtesy of peter E )

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Ok the boot is on the other foot now ... ummm I can see why somebody with over 35 years driving experience with many years as a professional driver would get a tad irritated if they'd been stopped for doing nothing wrong and subjected to a stren lecture given in a very condesending manner about something they were very obviously not doing but which I was, then had their (immaculate) vehicle scrutinised for faults as a direct result (they did not examine the guy they charged for speeding's bike) of asking some tricky questions .... I can see why that could be both inappropriate and irritating.


Yes I do have an attitude .... what is the problem with that? .... are you suggesting everyone should meekly accept and believe/do everything they are told by anyone in authority without question?


What do you mean? I had no idea it was some kind of competition, please explain.


What has this got to do with the incident in question? Though the main fault may not have been your mates', is there anything they could have perhaps done differently to avoid the situations from developing? There are some situations where there is pretty much nothing you can do, but they are seriously few and far between.


Indeed it would have been a diferent story .... but they didn't, the story is the story and I can't change the facts, it isn't any other story.


Pure assumption, and IMO quite wrong, what is your reason for saying this?


So you'd have just about every traffic officer in the uk police force locked up then??

Believe it or not I actually think and have expressed opinion before now that it would be a real good idea to have more traffic police officers on our roads.

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