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Noticed this article on the register http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/16/criegee_biradicals/, looks like another self regulating, climate mechanism that could reduce the FUD factor.

First few paragraphs-

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

There was a program about global warming , and the earths ability to regulate the CO2 content of the planet . It was stated that chalk seams ( as in the Cliffs of Dover etc) acted as storage facilities foor CO2- regulating the amount in the atmosphere to regulate the temperature . To me seemed to knock a large hole in the C02 theory . Too much C02- the chalk seams soaked it up - and released it back if the concentration dropped .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I don't think that anyone denies that natural mechanisms for regulating the CO2 content of the atmosphere exist. The question is whether they can cope with the amount of CO2 released by human activity in the 21st century.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Wrong!

The question is, should we spend tens of trillions or more to try to prevent something that may be happening according to models that so far have proved to be incredibly inaccurate (e.g. lack of warming for the last ten years, no sea level rise, lots of ice in the Arctic, happy polar bears etc.).

mb

Now you are talking about US defence policy

But, seriously, aren't we allowed more than one question?

Interesting article in the Spectator (reprinted in Wetherspoon news) - "Truth about Sea Levels"
http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/7438683/rising-credulity.thtml

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

The real question is why we are so worried right now when historical records show we had 10-20 times more atmospheric CO2 than today, yet the global temperatures were the same (or lower due to the ice ages).

Given this, it seems to me that everything else becomes rather moot.

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Reference please

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

This program suggested that the capacity to cope with various amounts of CO2 was regarded as being more than sufficient ,and that queations as above were from persons not acuainted with the performance of nature .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Upon digging, I have to admit to making some sort of error here.
To correct my earlier claim: historical records show we had 10-20 times more atmospheric CO2 than today, yet the global temperatures, at times, had been the same.

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2 ... ioxide.htm (the original sources are provided within the link).

IMhonestO, it is clear there is no conclusive direct causal effect, from CO2 level to temperature. There probably is an 'undiscovered' (!) causal factor that affects both CO2 and temp.
Let's not forget that it has not been explained why today's global temperatures are not following the much vaunted climate models.

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I think it most interesting that the magnetic North is slowly changing and thoughts are that it will 'flip' and Nth will be South, & South North (in about 800 yrs time). Satellites already have to avoid a huge area around Sth America as it messes up the equipment, and there are many pockets around it too !
I wonder then if that is what changes the Jet stream and then that has the final climatic change to the 'ice age' ending and begin the 'hot age' or whatever it is/will be called. Surely the jet stream which they have no idea how it got started (has it 'always existed' does it/ did it, ever) so ow do we know all those effects on the weather and the consequences thereof. Although we do know that our area (UK) is 'warmer' due to it's existence.

It is (on a planetary scale) all most interesting, as it shows just how little we really know about how are planet works!

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Global warming is going out of fashion pretty rapidly, in a few years collective embarrassment will erase it from history.

Labour is lurching left again so the left can dispense with the green cover and resume the class war god a while, who cares about carbon and patio heaters when we have bankers to bash?

... for this generation.

I'm sure it will eventually rear its ugly head again in not too long (i.e. the media frenzy that was "global cooling" ...)

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There'll be some apolcalypse brought about by the greed of man I'm sure.

We've had global cooling, warming, acid rain.....maybe the next thing will be global mildness. Temperate and pleasant conditions brought about by man's continued rape of the planet. Something must be done.

Out of interest -- not argumentativeness -- how are historic CO2 levels measured?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I believe they look at the bubbles of trapped air in Antarctic ice core samples.

It is "proxy data", because they are not directly sampling the air at the (estimated time), and i am sure that the margins for error must be considerable. Nevertheless, it is used a a big stick to tell us to reduce (and bury) our carbons

mb

The problem is not the current CO2 level.
The problem is: ##is the current CO2 level leading to climate change or is climate change causing higher [atmospheric] CO2 levels##
And:
Is a higher CO2 level sufficient, or is it possible, to cause runaway warming ?
IE: Is any feedback positive or negative.
The "warmists" say it is and that feedback is positive....however, they also said that clouds caused positive feedback.
The "skeptics" say it isn't.
Both sides admit that CO2 "traps" heat, one side says it is going to get worse, the other says it isn't, not by much.
CO2 has been much higher in the DISTANT past
(500 million to 3 million years)
but not in the recent past (half a million years)
The problem is compounded by the intense political/financial establishment on the "warmists" side, which means that if (highly likely) they are wrong the financial cost, so far, of nearly one trillion dollars, will mean they will be lucky to avoid being lynched.
Since even stupid turkeys do not willingly vote for Christmas we (I) cannot expect scientists to vote for personal poverty.
And there lies the REAL problem....the subject is too personal to have an easy, or fast, resolution.
So, roll-on the "renewables" and power cuts......don't expect "fracking" to bring you cheap gas, because they are finding in the states that while it is cheap...it is too cheap.....there is not enough profit to provide funding for the required [future] research and planning, let along production.
AND this government has already said it will be sold to export.
Since they insist that the sun has no effect on climate change (apart from the problem of no sun = no climate) and that their models are right (part of the trillion....loads of super-computers) when they cannot even forecast the past given the present as an input ?



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096277/How-green-zealots-destroying-planet.html#ixzz1lQQRn1Ay

[the comments in this post are my personal views on the complex and chaotic subject of climate, changing, and t'ings]

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing