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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 18:44 
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BBC News Kent here
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Speed cameras across Kent and Medway trap 23,787 drivers
23 January 2012 Last updated at 14:13

[photo]Speed camera The camera on the A229 Loose Road recorded the most offences in Kent

The number of motorists caught by every speed camera in Kent can now be checked after figures were published online.
According to the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership, 23,787 drivers were caught across Kent and Medway in 2010.
The website also shows crash and casualty rates and speeds at each of the fixed sites before and after the cameras were installed.
The speed camera on the A229 Loose Road, in Maidstone, recorded 1,560 offences, the highest in the county.
The camera on the A264 Pembury Road in Tunbridge Wells was second with 1,080 offences, while third was the A226 London Road in Dartford, eastbound towards Greenhithe, with 573 offences recorded.

Figures 'self-evident'
The Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership (KMSCP), which published the information said there has been a 74% reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured at fixed and mobile sites in the county since 2002, the equivalent of 397 people.
Ch Insp Andy Reeves, head of roads policing for Kent Police and KMSCP chairman, said the figures "speak for themselves".
He said there were currently no plans to install any more cameras because of financial constraints.

Terry Hudson, the Kent spokesman for the Association of British Drivers, which opposes speed cameras, said: "They may have saved a few lives, but we've got to remember, they've prosecuted a lot of people over a long period of time.
"And the effects of getting a driving ban or losing one's job is never, ever taken into consideration."
Or perhaps they feel that they are earning enough ? Shameful that they are dismissing RTTM and Bios on Selection.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 19:09 
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Adding the links from Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership
Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership wrote:
Crash, casualty and ticket data
Since the Partnership formed in July 2002, it has helped to reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured (KSI) by 74% across all its camera sites.

Casualty (people killed and seriously injured before installation and in the last three years) figures at each site can be found here: KSI data table.

The number of tickets issued in 2010 by fixed cameras can be found here: Ticket numbers 2010

A breakdown of fixed cameras collision, casualty and speed data can be found here: fixed collisions, casualties and speeds (to be upload today 23 Jan 2012)

Fixed safety camera sites are located where three or more people have been killed or seriously injured over a 1.5km stretch of road, in the three years prior to installation.

Mobile safety camera sites are located where at least one person has been killed or seriously injured over a 5km stretch of road, in the three years prior to installation.

If you would like more information on local road safety data, please click on the links below:
Kent County Council : http://www.kent.gov.uk/roads_and_transp ... _data.aspx
Medway Council : http://www.medway.gov.uk/transportandst ... afety.aspx

[and] here: "Speed Shatters Life" aimed to make all road users aware that fixed safety cameras aren't there to make money but that each camera acts almost as a memorial for those who have been killed or seriously injured and has been introduced to stop such a tragedy reoccurring. We hoped that by communicating this message, motorists would slow down and think about their driving, not only at the camera sites, but also on all other roads in the county.
Speed Cameras Shatter Lives too. This kind of emotional propaganda happens when they have no leg to stand on and resort to this non-sense.
Some of the 'Speed data surveys' are blank. I think that the speed limits need to specify any changes over the years and also the data that is there is typically just under the limit which makes me think that they are using the speed cameras to obtain the data, which is then bias and wrong as a proper and honest survey as one that shows the 'free travelling speed'.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 19:18 
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If this number of drivers are exceeding the limit, this suggests to me that the limit is inappropriate for the particular stretch of road. Further if KSI have reduced, with this number of vehicles exceeding the limit, does this not call into questions the premise "speed kills"?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 19:32 
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Absolutely there would be carnage on the roads if their stance on speed was actually accurate.

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The website also shows crash and casualty rates and speeds at each of the fixed sites before and after the cameras were installed.

Ohh, I smell an impending RTTM falllacy!

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Figures 'self-evident'

Here it comes ...

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The Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership (KMSCP), which published the information said there has been a 74% reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured at fixed and mobile sites

Ta daaa! :roll:

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Ch Insp Andy Reeves, head of roads policing for Kent Police and KMSCP chairman, said the figures "speak for themselves".

Yes, don't let the proven fallacy of "correlation doesn't imply causation" get in the way of a good fraud!

Like I always said: who in their right mind would say that RTTM is "dead"?

Come on "Greenshed", what say you to this very inconvenient truth?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 14:42 
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It would be interesting to know how many drivers were speeding BEFORE the cameras, and compare it to the 23,787 who are STILL speeding past the camera sites!
If that many drivers are STILL speeding, how come the accident rate has fallen?

My own observation of the camera site at Ings, seems to show that drivers speed UP TO the camera site, then brake hard down to 30 - 35 mph (40 limit) and then pick up speed after the camera.
Since most of the accident history relates to an area BEYOND the scope of the camera, there seems little evidence that the cameras are influencing drivers where (according to the SCP) it should matter!

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Do they define "camera site" anywhere? I've always wondered what a "camera site" was and never got a straight answer from CSCP in the days when they had their forum. Is it the stripy bit of road itself? 100 yards either side? a mile either side..?

To impress me, they'd have to take the piece of road immediately before and after each "camera site", the same length as "the camera site", and publish the figures for that over the same period. If they too showed a 74% decrese in KSI's, the claims might not sound quite so impressive... :wink:

Does anyone have the national figures for 2002 and last year? What was the national drop in the same period? (and was that all down to Kent & Medway's cameras too, I wonder)???


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