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Nothing mentioned about hedges on there ,so please explain ? Only hedging is from you .

All I read was about poorly planned and laid out roadworks, that sound as if they were not laid out as per traffic regulations ,which specifies warning distances depending on speed of road, and common sense would have told planner to place signs before the corner .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

You imagine?

I imagine lots, much of it I'm sure is true. It's certainly based on a lifetime of experience.

But looking over some of the things you have said it comes across as just shifting sands weepej.

Every time we knock your 'castle' over with facts or just plain ole common sense you build another. It's entertaining but, just like a sand castle, doesn't hold much water.

Perhaps that's why you have stood the test of time here on SS. Have you ever considered you do your cause more discredit than good to the common sense and fair amongst the general populus?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Why are you so keen to defend such bad (dangerous) driving)!?

And the post clearly mentions a hedge!

Yes if he could actually get some real facts and then once he gets them ,learn to present them correctly, he might get some respect but his arguments these days seem to be getting worse, what with twisted facts, often misquoted,LOTS of imagined scenarios...has he joined BRAKE, I wonder?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

I like to think all impartial watchers will also have noticed. Just like the last troll-like question he levelled at Botach..

As if anyone here has EVER defended bad driving

Anyone who had seen this board for long enough would ask why he has never defended good drivers and driving. But no! Any and all drivers, no matter how long their clean driving record, should feel the full weight of the law for going over a speed limit on the grounds they could, during a long accident-free driving history, have killed a child..

Yep, if he's not already a member of BRAKE he should join...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I like to think all impartial watchers will also have noticed. Just like the last troll-like question he levelled at Botach..

That last bit was what I class a classic example of a "weepyism" . ( when caught out, make a definite statement out of some generalism that the spotter has made) .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Just in case you missed in Tone it's right here, about four posts up, here's a link!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26141&start=140#p248383

Some pretty big numbers here:

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/overtaking.pdf

Note my "imagining" was pretty much spot on, averaged out over a year 93 a week involving cars, and that's before we included motorcycles.

And do note this is also only the ones that result in injuries, and to add this will all be under reported, not over reported.

So at least "in the hundreds" every week would've been a more accurate claim.

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I still can't see it dude. I do know, as you know too, that SS has never countenanced bad driving. If It's dangerous to do 30mph in a we have always said you should be doing 20 or 10 or completely stop until It's safe to move!

I don't know why your life's mission is to bad-mouth SS on some misconceived perception you have of us. I, for one, would never have joined if it was ever about turning a blind eye to dangerous driving.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Ha ha Weepej, you "imagining" is nearly as bad as your maths.

4417 (car injuries) divided by 52 equals 85 people a week injured in overtaking manouveres in cars BUT please tell us how many people are injured in cars in Urban situations and in situations when not overtaking...94% perhaps?....far more I know, not imagine. AND don't forget a lot of these overtaking manouveres would be in urban situations, So WHAT exactly is your point????

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Once again, Weepej, your facts are weak and don't go anywhere to prove your point but that hole is getting deeper, keep it up, you will be able to talk to SS Australia soon...

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

The big problem today isn’t speed in itself but that so many bad drivers do not recognise their own dangerous driving. And trying to inculcate speed as the only problem, or biggest problem, does absolutely nothing to help educate people on the many other aspects of truly dangerous driving.

So when someone is prosecuted for an excess of speed in safe conditions where it is open, clear and straight, and where there are no children or parked cars, you do a great disservice to those who do drive safely. What’s more, it fosters a hatred and disrespect for a system which isn’t catching the truly dangerous.

Here's a thought.. I wonder how many people have points on their licence and, of them, how many have any record of accidents? (Could a FOIA tell us?). Well I can tell you that I know, from my relatively small unofficial poll at work and friends, it is most of them! The points they have are completely unrelated to their proclivity for accidents!

Now any driver, no matter how aggrieved they are about getting caught for speeding, if it was in any way potentially dangerous, in the cold light of day they would have to be honest and admit to themselves “I deserved it because looking back at the situation it was dangerous and I should have been going slower”. Who wouldn't accept that as a fair or fairer system?

But they are not likely to think that when they are told to believe: -

You were done because you could have killed a child – when there’s not a single mammal anywhere to be seen.
You were done because there was a large tree concealing a child ready to pounce – when there is no such thing or possibility. I could go on, as you know... (Yawn)

But they would, however, understand if they were warned or prosecuted for doing the speed limit or faster past a bus stop in the rain where children were milling around. That - I would understand! And THAT is a far more dangerous situation which would be addressing careless or dangerous driving. You seem to be struggling with a very simple concept weepej, always have, which just makes me think targeting bad drivers is not your real agenda...

You know where I would like a speed camera, if I had to? There’s a road near my house which ticks every box for a necessary It’s narrow, there’s always parked cars, the pavement in places is right next to the road, (no grass reservation seperating man from 'beast'), and finally there is a school along that road.

But at random times you see blithering murderous and suicidal morons doing insane speeds along there! A resident on that road told me they come hacking down there at “70 mph”. I myself have seen them doing at least 50+mph. Give me a damn speed camera and the authority and I’ll catch the truly dangerous! I’ll show you who and where to catch them before they kill someone! I would add dangerous driving to it as well and get them off the road!

Do they ever monitor that road though? NO! Of course not. They have recently put one on a main road nearby though, on a straight open part of road. My neighbour with a DAS van, whatever that is, was done along it a few weeks ago; he warned me and my neighbour about it when he came back and saw us in fact. And no, he too has never had an accident in his life. So well done scameravan, another safe driver with a clean record, who relies on his licence for his living, banged to right$ eh?

Haven't had a rant like that for a while...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

A clear example of dangerous driving and all I can see is a lot of fluster about hedges and roadworks that shouldn't be there when the only thing at fault in this situation was the driver of the vehicle.

Ah! Okay, I think I see what you're referring to now. It's a link to a link from 2007 from Paul in 'Near misses'?

Well, sadly, he is not here to explain in further detail or explain. I often post about a subject just giving the bare bones because, let's face it, the longer it is the more you 'lose people'. It's a shame you didn't hold him to task back then; It's certainly not for me to second guess what he may have said in reply.

What I do know is driving is a life of learning. Hopefully, as you get older and gain experience, you get better and safer. Insurance company's certainly believe so. I'm of an age and group of safest of the safe, and my insurance companies would agree. But a speeding violation apparently knows better...

I would not be so arrogant to say "it could never be me". The greatest, fastest, most experienced drivers can still make a mistake. They don't come much better trained and respected than traf pols, but look how many 'mistakes' they make each and every year.

I understand the unique situations they find themselves in, but not every case is deserving of the 'little brown dog' book, I imagine

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Ha, now you're defending it too!

Ha! No mention of exceeding the limit weepej!

So in your world all drivers should have been ok to carry on and plough into the back of traffic, which he didn't. Either that or.. OMG could it be you think.. No, it can't be..

The conditions, sobriety, alertness matter?

Careful, you could be heading for one of your own bear traps...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

And that,Tone ,is another definition of a "weepyism" .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

This is a clear example of dangerous driving Big Tone, and you're defending it.

Now it's that the driver didn't crash into an oncoming family of five that made the driving acceptable!

Come on Tone, say it, the driver was driving too fast, go on, I dare you!

Obviously; based on what information is given. You say that like I’m trying to deny running a brothel or something. It was a thread about near misses remember. We’ve all had them as we learn so you don’t know if it wasn’t something from when he was 18 or 20, correct? Yet you’re acting like you just uncovered SSGate.

You know what, I could still get caught out! Is that another revelation? If I have to break hard because of some un-normal event and there happens to be petrol or some other spill on the road then I would surely come off or crash. I’m not infallible and I have never said I am; and I wouldn’t believe anyone who said they are.

So I haven’t the faintest idea exactly what you are trying to prove here? Can you elucidate please? If anything, it proves that driving requires 100% concentration and observation, yet you titter like a kid at the thought that someone got caught out when not speeding so that’s your proof that that speed limits work is it? Do you know what that makes you? (I hinted at it earlier).

Again, you and the likes of BRAKE are trying to narrow down road safety to one simple thing. So then, now are you big enough to admit the posted speed limit was meaningless in said situation? Go on, I’m calling your bluff. I dare you?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.