weepej wrote:
And even your average cyclist can out accelerate a car being driven under normal careful circumstances, at least across the junction.
Err I think a few very exceptional cyclists might mange that but 'average' cyclist no way.
I have wondered too about this too .... you wait for the collection of cyclist to move and then proceed.
As a cyclist (in London & elsewhere) I have often and deliberately not used them, as I fail to see the point in placing myself in 'harms way' totally un-necessarily. I can wait an extra moment and go after the cyclist in front of me, whilst still beside the line of traffic, or if at the front I can try and set off as quickly as I can when the lights change.
What does it serve for me to be in a cycle-cluster than trail back alongside the pavement? If I have a lorry turning I wait behind them or manoeuvre to his right or if clear go right to the front (if lights have just changed red) and then can be gone asap (when lights go green) ... and give him the best chance to pull off quickly.
I do worry about the cyclists who choose the middle of two lanes, all going straight and so place themselves between speeding cars (just moving quickly not OTL). What purpose does that serve other than to place oneself in harms way?
So I think they do this to get away from the slower cyclists. There is certainly a hierarchy in cyclists.
In the same way there are drivers who go from A to B so there are cyclists. There are the racers who treat the roads like race tracks and insist on being at the front every time, and then everyone inbetween down to the a to b cyclist.
So to my point ... are these green boxes to simply enable all the cyclists to mingle, and what benefit has that offered? Are cyclists safer ? How much has it or not contributed to congestion? Where are the facts & the truth?
For motorcyclists I can see a definite benefit as they are seen more easily, and can shoot off quickly and be out of everyone's way rapidly. If they can manage to filter through to the front that is!