Safe Speed Forums

I understand that's to cater for people who think their speedo is undereading, but fact it's not, so their indicated 33mph is actually 33mph rather than 30.

I don't believe that for one second! I'm pretty certain it's because they struggle to make the charge stick if they don't leave a big enough tolerance! If anyone tried to claim their speedo was under-reading, they'd just get done for a defective speedo as well!

That's more like it! I was beginning to think you might have "seen the light"!

OK, so you don't think exceeding the speed limit is necessarily dangerous and you DO believe it's possible to select a safe speed for the conditions that is in excess of the speed limit, but you still think speed limits should be strictly enforced anyway...

Travelling at any speed is already potentially lethal, and the faster you in a given situation the greater the potential for mishap and the worse the outcome should anything happen.

There is no such thing as a safe speed.

Limits are a vital part of road safety and people should be prosecuted for exceeding them. If we let people exceed them without punitive measures our road network will be a more dangerous place to be.

Seems to work for the Isle of Man though, they are totally against a 60MPH limit even.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe ... 902764.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe ... 100600.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe- ... n-22437425

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

iS THAT "CAT NOW OUT OF BAG" as regards weepy's intentions . Otherwise what is "being able to stop in the distance you see to be clear ,without skidding and on the correct side of road" . OOPS -did you miss that bit of info on the main page , perhaps .


Just like ALL road users should obey, be seen to do so and be prosecuted for all breaches of the law , vocal minority or not . ( I also consider those on three wheels as road users too ).

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

"YOOUUU WIIILLL OBEEEYY..EXXTERMINAATTE"...sounds like weepy would like a Dalek dictatorship.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

grabs

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

So, Weepy, any comments as to why the majority voters in the isle of man, voted to not accept a 60 or 70 MPH upper limit?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

OK, but I think that's where the "logical fallacy" comes in?

IF you believe (as you have stated) that exceeding the speed limit is not necessarily dangerous;
AND you believe that it's possible to select a safe speed for the conditions that is in excess of the speed limit;
AND you believe that there is no such thing as a safe speed and that traveling at any speed is already potentially lethal....

What's so special about the speed limit? I don't believe logic allows you to hold all those views at the same time.

But even you concede a speed limit is a good idea right?

This article goes over the basics of limiting speed quite well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit

Nope, none at all. Can't see what it's got to do with anything.

But if a majority of voters are against them...are they that necessary? Or do you believe in minority dictatorships? You say that things get more dangerous as the speed gets above 50MPH, clearly these people don't agree with you.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Of course things get more dangerous as speeds increase (given the same conditions).

If I take a corner at 70 as compared to 50 and stuff it up, need to stop quickly or hit some black ice, things are going to be worse, and more likely to go wrong in the first place.

If, on the Isle of Man a democratic decision is taken not to have speed limits on certain stretches of road then fair enough, but that doesn't change the outcome.

AAAh but you are then taking the novices mentality of assuming that if the limit says 70MPH, then you should take the corner at 70MPH....good driving skills are learnt through experience that the limit doesn't mean that you drive at that speed constantly....by your reasoning limits would be low enough not to leave a corner on a rural road so what would you suggest?

Do you think that people take corners all the time on the Isle of man at 100MPH, because that would be legal and within the limit?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Thanks, but what's that got to do with those of your beliefs (above) that I was questioning? How does anything in that article make it logical for you to believe that exceeding a speed limit isn't necessarily dangerous, and that it's possible to select a safe speed for the conditions in excess of the limit (though you later contradict yourself by saying there's no such thing as a safe speed) and yet reconcile it with your belief that speed limits should be rigidly enforced?

Yes, I concede (I prefer the term "agree" as I've never actually said that there shouldn't be any limits!) and I've explained what role I think speed limits can play, and that's entirely consistent with my beliefs on the subject, but I can't make head nor tail of yours!

You can still kill someone of you stuff it up at 50, so what's your point? Why is 50 OK and 70 not? For your arguments to have a degree of logic to them, you'd need to set the limit on all roads at a speed where it was not possible to kill or seriously injure, but as you say there's no such thing as a safe speed, that would be "0".

Oh yes, of course you can.

Less likely though ain't it (given the same circumstances).

You keep repeating this parrot fashion but haven't got a shred of proof that it's true....HAVE YOU???

Why have speed limits at all then, if there is no such thing as a safe speed?...pretty pointless if you believe that.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

What circumstances and do be precise?
If you take a corner properly you a) travel so that you can always stop in the distance that you know to be clear in and b) slow into the corner and faster out of it, so how at any point was there any opportunity to ever hit anyone or anything ?

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