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Links :https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/action-for-roads-a-network-for-the-21st-century
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Driverless cars will hit the streets of Britain by the end of this year, the government has confirmed.
If you're reading this in the pub be aware - it's just trials for now
By Jasper Hamill, 18 Jul 2013
If you're reading this in the pub be aware - it's just trials for now

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In a briefing document titled Action for Roads, the Department for Transport [urlhttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/action-for-roads-a-network-for-the-21st-century]confirmed[/url] that Oxford University boffins will start trials of autonomous cars later this year.

The scheme to take the human element out of motoring is part of a £28bn investment in British roads aimed at reducing congestion.

The DfT said:
Researchers at Oxford University are currently working with Nissan to... create semi-autonomous cars. These vehicles will have a driver present but are capable of driving fully independently, using knowledge of the environment in which they are driving. A groundbreaking trial of these vehicles on the road is expected to start later this year.
Fully autonomous cars remain a further step, and for the time being drivers will have the option (and responsibility) of taking control of the vehicle themselves. Vehicle manufacturers and their systems suppliers continue to explore the opportunities for full autonomy. Further progress will depend foremost on ensuring public safety and on updating the law to take account of the new technology.
The government expects the demand for driverless or semi-autonomous cars to increase as data processors "decrease in cost and increase in power".

Computer-aided vehicles will become commonplace in Britain and across the world, apparatchiks believe.

The DfT added:
By 2040, experts expect a world of connected vehicles and road users, where ‘semi-autonomous’ and ‘autonomous’ control of vehicles will be part of life.
Vehicles will communicate not only with the road infrastructure, but increasingly with each other. Innovative ways to make vehicles cooperate with one another, such as the "platooning" approach for heavy vehicles on strategic roads, have the potential to make our roads work better for everyone.

When the test begins, the cars will drive on quiet roads and will not be fully autonomous, meaning a human can step in if it looks as if the robot driver's going to mow down pedestrians.

Prof Paul Newman, who leads the Oxford University team working on the autonomous car, told the BBC: "It's a great area to be working in because it's IT and computers and that's what changes things. The British government sees that engineering is important."

Experts previously told El Reg that driverless cars will most likely be configured to perform boring, tricky tasks like parking way before they are let loose on the open highway.

Google is leading the development of driverless cars and has promised to put them on the roads within five years. ®

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California gives green light to test self-driving cars on public roads
By Neil McAllister, 21 May 2014
New rules pave way for robo-car trials by multiple firms

The California Department of Motor Vehicles has approved new rules governing the testing of autonomous vehicles on public roads, making it one of the first states to adopt a formal policy on self-driving cars.

California Governor Jerry Brown gave the state's blessing to autonomous vehicles in 2012, when he signed off on legislation that allows self-driving cars on public roads beginning in 2015, provided the vehicles have been certified for safety.

The trouble is, until now there hasn't been any clear legal guidelines for how automakers should go about testing their vehicles.

Not that this has stopped Google, which has been sending its prototype robo-cars tooling around California streets since at least 2010. But lots of other manufacturers say they now want to get into the autonomous car business too, including Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, and Toyota.

Under the California DMV's new rules, which were adopted on Monday, automakers must clear a number of hurdles before getting the go-ahead to take to the state's roads, and doing so won't necessarily be easy.

Companies must register with the state before they can test their cars, including identifying the specific make, model, model year, vehicle identification number, and license plate number of each vehicle to be tested.

Every car must have a driver sitting in the driver's seat during testing, who can take over control of the vehicle should something go wrong. Only drivers who have been identified to the DMV in writing can operate the cars, and those drivers must have clean driving records and have completed a training program established by the manufacturer.

There are rules for those training programs, as well. Operators must not only receive training in the specific autonomous technologies installed in the cars, but they must also complete a defensive driving course and receive "instruction that matches the level of the autonomous test vehicle driver's experience operating the specific type of automated driving system technology with the level of technical maturity of the automated systems."

Manufacturers will also be required to prove that they can handle the potential financial liability should anything go wrong. Every manufacturer that wants to test its vehicles in California must submit proof that it can cover damages of up to $5m, whether through insurance, self-insurance, or a bond set up for the purpose.

If something does go wrong, there are reporting requirements. In the case of an accident, the automaker must file a new Report of Traffic Accident Involving an Autonomous Vehicle within 10 days if the incident. But beyond that, whenever the human driver takes manual control of the vehicle for safety reasons, the state wants to know about it.

Only if an automaker can comply with all of these terms – and it submits a $150 application fee – will California grant it a permit to begin testing their robo-cars.

The new rules become effective on September 16, 2014, although the DMV will begin accepting applications from manufacturers on July 1.

As for when you can expect to be riding around California streets in an autonomous car of your own, however, that's still some way off. The DMV has yet to publish rules on the use of self-driving vehicles by the general public, but state law requires it to do so no later than January 1, 2015. ®
In many ways this just fills me with total dread. The days are numbered for trying to obtain all drivers to become highly skilled and safe. Once we start to rely on computers to enable us to travel from A to B our abilities to do so ourselves will diminish.
Perhaps for those people who hate driving or are unable to do so, it might enable a way forward (on some levels) but I have many grave concerns.
We are always 'assured' things are safe or good until they aren't and then 'lessons are learned' when in fact it was usually blatantly obvious from the start! :(

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 14:36 
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It's not the technical problems which will stop or delay these developments, it's the legal liability issues.

Who will the police arrest when one of these inevitably kills someone? The software engineer?

Will I be able to be over the drink drive limit and sit in the back while an autonomous car takes me home or will I legally be "in charge"?

I shouldn't worry, we will be dead before this comes to pass in any meaningful way for the mass market.

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A further thought. The law of unintended consequences.

I assume that these cars have advanced anti-collision systems. I can just see the lads in their Saxos driving fast at these robots just to see them swerve away and brake violently or maybe playing "chicken" stepping out in front of one for a laugh.

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I have no doubts it will come. I'm not looking forward to it, but I see in another news story that insurance "black boxes" are likely to be "the norm" within 10 years, with any drivers who refuse to / can't fit them paying a premium. I agree with Malcolm though - the technical problems will be nothing compared to the legal ones. Just look at the grief GM are getting at present for an ignition switch!

Oddly, I also wonder if it will create a need for MORE driver testing? Airline pilots need to be re-tested periodically because they don't get to do that much actual "flying" of the plane and may never encounter some of the manoeuvres / failures that they could possibly be exposed to. Perhaps car drivers (once they're spending most of their time on "autopilot") will end up in the same boat?


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You only have to watch the tunnel scene in i-robot to know whats coming :twisted:


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Google today pushed this subject on further by announcing their own driverless car.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27587558

If these really do not need any human intervention then presumably the user (not driver, please) will need no driving licence. So I assume that children will be able to use them with no adult supervision. Who is liable when one breaks down or crashes with a sole minor occupant?

There is a long way to go on this yet.

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I've just seen someone ask if the Google car will have Chrome wheels. :lol:

Another commentator has said that, as it's a Google car, the UK road tax paid will be very very small. :)

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And I think I heard that top speed will be 25mph, but no comment yet from Brake . :shock: Or is it that there'll be no speeding driver to blame. And from the bit on the use on TV- program in destination , ( and ten minutes later find yourself in field). How many reports of trucks heading down very narrow lanes etc. Not so long ago I planned a trip to a reservoir for a day out . I can't remember the online site I used, but directions were via a road where AFAIK, through route had been closed by placing large boulders across the junction,at least 24 years ago. I thought ,perhaps I'm having a senior moment and memory is playing tricks, so i asked my daughter who could not remember access through this junction .( https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.52705 ... ipuiqA!2e0) gives an idea of the "PROBLEM"

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