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Talk about spin look at the answer to this question on their questions page

http://www.cambs.police.uk/camops/safet ... asp?ID=104

So scameras go up first, and then if that doesn't actually reduce accidents, then they will think about re-engineering in order to make it safer. Says everything there is to be said about priorities really.

Yes, that's just about right. I live just off the A14 between Huntingdon and Cambridge and they are to reduce the limit on that stretchto 60 soon and enforce it with SPECS. However, speed is not the problem as it's often not possible to exceed about 50 to 55 at peak times which is when the accidents seem to occur. The problem is the road layout between Cambridge (M11/A14 junction) and Bar Hill, and again at Huntingdon (The Spittles Interchange). Re-engineering would solve both those problems, but reduced limits and SPECS are the initial option. i.e. do nothing constructive, but rake in more cash.
Methinks it will soon be 'broken front number plate time' in my region!

2 quite legal things to do here (although this may not work for every car- it will for mine when I get a spare weekend to do it):

1 Remover your front bumper from its chasis mounting points. Affix 'chassis-extension' brackets, so as to make the bumper 4 inches or so further forward from its original fixing point.

2 Refix the number plate as tight as it can go underneath the bumper.

The net result of this is that anything much above the level of the number plate itself (like a fixed roadside camera) won't be able to 'see' it because the bumper is in the way!

Whilst I would not suggest or encourage anyone to break the law (strictly for educational purposes), I suppose it would be possible to drive past the local forward facing camera and they might get a great picture of your bumper as well as you personally sitting in the driver's seat but no registration number.

Of course, this would not theoretically be likely to save you from a tallivan parked at the side of the road, nor from someone waving a hairdryer at you in the middle of the road.

But the number plate shouldn't get much attention from the police (because it is actually LEGAL to do this), and an indescriminate camera can't think for itself in these matters.

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Although I used to consider myself to be a "reasonable man", the law just sees me as a criminal... My uncontrolled anti-social activities solely include the undeniable fact I usually drive my car at or just below the 85th percentile.

Easier to register the car to a limited company with an accommodation address at your accountants and with the company secretary being another management company.
We have this situation and it would be very difficult to trace the driver and almost certainly not possible within the 6 months available to them. By the time the management company has ignored the first NiP, then asked for the photos 28 days after receiving the 2nd NiP, then suggested in a letter that a director of the other limited company might be able to help. Then that director asks for the photos, then the director says he can't really help, then gets threatened, then, maybe names himself, then ignores the FPN, then it's more than 6 months before a summons can be prepared - game over.
If it's not over, he then uses the PACE defence and prepares to go to court.
Of course, he could simply not know who was driving and I wonder how many company directors have been prosecuted for not knowing, bearing in mind that most companies would engage a barrister to fight this sort of challenge - I know we would. In fact our company motor insurance policy covers us for all legal fees in connection with motoring offences or legal claims against company vehicles. We even had a barrister in the case of a minor collision when our driver was innocent, but the other driver/insurer disagreed (we won).
And to think all they want is your £60, which is what it's really about!

What's up with their soundbite: "Cameras don't just save lives..."

"...they kill people too?"
"...they bring in 60 quid a time?"
"...they keep spin doctors in work?"

And what the **** is this all about?

http://www.cambs.police.uk/camops/safet ... layer.html

"Try saving lives with our new game?"

As the measure of success is increasing population it is probably based on causing everybody to lose their licence, and consequently their job, so that they are forced to into spending all day at home "procreating" their lives away.

Somehow I don't suppose that introducing a large number of speed humps will cause an 8x increase in deaths in the area because of delayed fire and ambulance services, or that flooding the area in cameras will have zero impact on casualties at all....but as the partnership don't have any real numbers to base the simulatio (on because they cannot produce them when asked) so it has to based on somebodies vivid imagination.

I am so glad that there is so much excess revinue around that they can spend time doing things like this - perhaps for a more realistic simulation the target should really be seing how quickly you can get £1,000,000 into the bank.

I played their little "game" , did nothing , and was told by the chap at the end that my effort was not too bad ( 180 fatalities )

Do you think 180 is proportional representation of a country with no speed cameras or perhaps more propagada .

Played it a few more times and so far doing nothing has resulted in fewest fatalities .....

You sure this is a scammers site , seems to contradict their overall argument

well i played it straight through without changing anything and in the year there were 104273 crashes, 28858 injuries, 409 fatalities........my starting population was 13647 and end population was 22930.....

my conclusions are

a) you really really dont want to drive anywhere near this town
b) the population explosion is probably made up of panel beaters who must work 24/7 to keep any cars on the road at all
c)the game seems to be slightly weighted towards putting cameras everywhere

Oh and why do they have a lifering attached to their camera icon??? do their cameras get thrown in the local river by the local residents

Both self, Mad Doc and I think his wife elsewhere have criticised this Cambs site.

We have mentioned umpteen times about driving to a family do and looking at the van timetable. The justification for the mobiles seemed very odd as it seems to imply an accident occured every 10 minutes on one date on that one route .... and we were there

Either the entire family of good, better than average and "experts" had a bad COAST day - or nothing happened!

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