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No today, this week or this month! If you can say the same about your illegal activity, you could be proud!

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Hah! For a man who resolutely talks in absolutes with respect to the law on speed limits, all of a sudden matters of degree come into play when it applies to you and your confessing to theft....

Your 'playground' defence is poor.

I still think in this respect, hypocrite sums you up perfectly, BW.

People keep blaming me for this (which is a lot of fun for me) but I'm only predicting the way things are playing out. If monitoring was impossible, it would not already be happening. So we are not talking about whether, but when and where and how much. What do you think, JT - will it roll back? Fat chance, eh?

Let’s follow the money. A primary requirement of the system would be to extract cash (tax, toll, insurance, whatever) from an account in real time. Any vehicle that failed at a polling instance to transfer the required amount would easy pickings - tracking and tracing would do the rest. If the on-car transponder missed passes, again it would be easy pickings. This is a solution that is waiting to happen for the congestion charge zone(s) of London.

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So I suppose we could say you're only a thief and dishonest some of the time too?, eh?

Perfection is not an option for any of us, r11co, but especially not for you! My confession to you is not all that is required. We should all turn away from wrong doing, as I have. It is hard to give up speeding (or pen theft) I know. Where is the hypocrisy in that? Come on, r11co, take the pledge to speed no more!

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D'you think we should deport him to New Zealand or Australia, like they did (according to LAW of course) back in the good old days when children were beaten to within an inch of their lives for things like wanting to go to the toilet??? They do have multiple instances of speed cameras there too, which should keep him amused somewhat. They also use "Smart Money" (well actually, funny money {not ours} but it is money after all).

We could always send him to Saudi Arabia.... But if we do that and they enforce their laws, they'll cut both his hands off - then where would we get the day's entertainment from????

I must confess I have wept with laughter at some of the other comments which really are quite drole!

Not today, this week, or this month! Come on PaulF, it's never too late to quit being a wastrel and get with the programme - no matter how many points are on your license!

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There's a phrase to describe the weak and flawed arguments that concentrate on the individual rather than the more important matters of fact or principle. That phrase is ad hominem.

You can find a definition here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/ad-hominem

I thought you should all remember that...

Can we please try to keep the discussion at our usual higher intellectual level?

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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Keep laughing, it's cheap! Meantime, you're paying my tax with your speeding fines! Now who's laughing?

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Merely trying to highlight the aptness of the analogy presented WRT the discretionless application of law Paul, apologies for any offence.

I'm just playing around with these old boys, to see how they react. But you are right, looking back, some of what has been said is OTT.

The reason I have re-ignited the technology thread is because of the recent announcement by Alistair Darling that there will be a major government thrust to put high tech monitoring equipment into the road system. If we are to do anything about anything, we have to prepare to acknowledge that this is a possible eventuality. Having said that, what consensus should be reached about usage with respect to the highest possible level of benefits for society as a whole. These are BIG questions, that don’t need knee-jerk ad-hominem responses, but reasoned rebuttals.

It is here, it is now, and it is growing. Where do we go from here?

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Shall I add contemptuous to hypocrite?

(Incidentally, not is an absolute, so there cannot be degrees of it!!)

OK Basingwerk. You say "All thieves should get it in the neck."

You be the judge on this. What should the sentence be for the guy who steals pens in the way outlined throughout this thread?

Remember - YOU say someone (the speeder) otherwise driving completely safely but guilty of 31 in a 30 (a 'road-slob') should be punished and £60 + 3 points is fair (even though we would argue that this is only 'technically speeding' and that the punishment {if any should be brought in any case} is grossly disproportionate in relation to the offence in question)...

So what sort of 'conditional fixed penalty' would you offer the bloke who took the biro (the thief)?

Please give us an idea of the level of appropriate punishment for this 'dishonest behaviour'. Please explain your reasoning in sentencing - we are transfixed in the wait for your early answer

Fill your boots, as far as I care, but SafeSpeed has given you a warning, and you don't want a Troll Alert to be posted next to your name, do you?



Move on!

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What speeding fines? I have had none and from what i have read very few "regulars" on htis site have had any points or fines either.

I shall continue to laugh thankyou.

This is more like it < DONG - bell rings for start of round 2>. Now first of all, it is not quite that simple, is it? I have misgivings about cameras that are not well calibrated with some margin for error. And I have misgivings about 3 points for fairly small transgressions, as you would know if you had read my posts. I may be tempted to think that the m-way limit is too low, and a case can be put for more margin. There are degrees of slobiness. And I have misgivings about poorly sited cameras and I think regression to the mean analysis is important. This is the way I am now, not last year after my crash, when I wanted all speeders to be chemically castrated. One moves on.



If I were a judge, the sentence would be based on several things. First, it should reflect the gravity of the offence. Second, it should be graded according to the chance of getting caught – the less likely you are to be caught, the greater the sentence, so as to act as a deterrent to others. Third, extenuating circumstances should be considered. Now, for the specific offence of stealing a pen: it is low gravity with a low chance of being caught, so that cancels out. The extenuating circumstances are that a) I have provided my employer with £100’s of books for free, and b) I take (most of the) pens back.

Therefore, the sentence should be that I should be banned from using scissors for a month!

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You must be doing something right - keep it up.

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Thankyou, with your blessing i shall continue to drive at a safe speed at all times. This morning it included 80mph on a clear stretch of NSL




See how my spelling suffered because i had trouble finding biros when i was learning to write? Someone else kept nicking them.

And there's us thinking it’s because you can't spell! Just goes to show...

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My old friend BM used to often do 80mph on a clear stretch of NSL. He hit a spot of black ice after the late shift, and hit an oncoming car. They buried him in the catholic cemetery. Just letting you know.

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