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TripleS
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 09:27 
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Limits should be guides, fairly enforced with common sense and experience. Just like they used to be before reliance on cameras instead of Traffic Police.

When i training for IAM test my observer was Ex Traffic, once when travelling on A1 he told me about seeing a Ferrari driving along over limit. He followed discreetly for a few miles, saw that ferrari was being driven safely and turned his attention to other road users - after all "he was only exceeding speed limit in NSL, not driving dangerously"


That's how it should be. Well done that man. We need that approach to become much more widespread.

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I'm sure you know I would very much like drivers to be able to earn certain speed limit exemptions by getting trained to a sufficient level.


I've been thinking about that for a while... an advanced driving qualification recognised in law and by DVLA, that exempts you from the national speed limits, allowing you to "use your discretion" on motorways and other derestricted roads, which I understand is the principle that Police instructors work on. If you got zapped by a camera while doing so, you'd just declare yourself as the driver and hear no more about it. If you were observed by a traffic officer, he could check up on your car and find that the keeper was an advanced driver, and if he still felt your driving was below standard he could give you a "yellow card."

There would have to be some restrictions - for example you would have to be driving your own car registered in your own name to qualify - to prevent hooligans from naming their advanced-qualified mate as the driver when they got caught, and to prevent newly qualified advanced drivers from renting a Ferrari and getting carried away.

It would also be an incentive to behave yourself where it mattered - a careless driving conviction, or more than one yellow card or regular speeding ticket in a year, would see you lose your advanced badge and have to wait three years to take the test again. So the scheme would provide both carrot and stick.

Would it work, do you think?

John


Thanks for that, John. This is the kind of thing I've been advocating for some time, though you have added some nice refinements with your yellow card system etc.

We do need some carrot. I'm getting increasingly fed up of all the stick being meted out to drivers.

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This thread hits the nail on the head. It is this Country's speed limits themselves that are the problem, not the enforcement.

Speed limits have never been perfect and are certainly becoming more of a problem, but the root of it is the change in style of enforcement from discretionary to absolute. Up till then we were coping with the imperfect nature of speed limits pretty well, since a sensible copper would know when to stop, when to ticket, when to lecture and when to turn a blind eye. If enforcement was still done that way ridiculous 30mph DCs that used to be NSL would be a smaller problem.

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SafeSpeed wrote:
I'm sure you know I would very much like drivers to be able to earn certain speed limit exemptions by getting trained to a sufficient level.


To an extent we already have this with newly qualified drivers only needing 6 points for a ban.

Perhaps we could encorage more advanced tests to be taken by allowing advanced drivers 18 points in 3 years. I could then see a rush of 9 pointers taking more training and finally a real payoff from speed cameras.
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I like your idea JohnF. A neat way of priviliging skilled drivers and of removing that privilege if they let their standards fall.

It could well provide the much needed incentive for many drivers to improve their skills, as the advanced qualification would surely be sought after.
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Homer wrote:
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I'm sure you know I would very much like drivers to be able to earn certain speed limit exemptions by getting trained to a sufficient level.


To an extent we already have this with newly qualified drivers only needing 6 points for a ban.

Perhaps we could encorage more advanced tests to be taken by allowing advanced drivers 18 points in 3 years. I could then see a rush of 9 pointers taking more training and finally a real payoff from speed cameras.


If we were to allow properly recognised advanced drivers freedom to disregard the NSL I doubt if they would incur many points, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

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JohnF wrote:
I've been thinking about that for a while... an advanced driving qualification recognised in law and by DVLA, that exempts you from the national speed limits, allowing you to "use your discretion" on motorways and other derestricted roads

This would only be a worthwhile incentive for a minority of enthusiast drivers, and might exclude precisely some of the groups of drivers who would benefit most from further training. In most large conurbations you could drive for months without ever using an NSL. Some additional incentive would be needed too.

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