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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 01:53 
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Seriously, the fault would be that of the overtakee? The overtakee has to see the overtaker in the mirror, where as the overtaker is going to be seeing the overtakee through the whole of the manoeuver (someone overtaking in this situation doesn't check their mirrors before they overtake :roll:), AND has time to sound their horn to alert the overtakee.

That said, overtakee is almost certainly capable of stopping an accident through careful observation, as Adam has been doing so far - but I don't have much sympathy with someone hitting it.



If I saw this and it was obvious from road position and indication that person was turning and was overtaken - then I'd be having a little word with the overtaker.


Trouble is - lot do not sound horn or flash to alert overtakee of presence either - as they do not even register the road position and the indication (if indicator bulb is dirty, stuck or dead) In Adam's situation - I'd do hand signals as well and might even consider sounding horn myelf to alert driver behind if he is blinded by the sun or something :wink: The sound may alert him to at least see the hand waving the right turn sign. :? Assuming he has of course - er - read - er the Highway Code :bunker:


If no independent witness present and overtakee is adamant he signalled and places his road position correctly... one word against the other and blame gets apportioned in insurance discussions - usually does not get to court if balance of evidence could go either way - hence the cop out by inusrance companies of "doing a deal"

Usual scenario in a road situation is the chap turning into his own driveway... :yesyes:

Sometimes they swerve to the left and overtaker overtakes despite the signal. Because chap has arrived "home" - his concentration is about zero and he fails to do a lifesaver shoulder or wing mirror check - bit like the guy who doors another driver, cyclist or pedestrian. They just stop thinking as "driver" at this point! :shock: :? :shock:

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Not sure the horn would be much good. Not the loudest on a 15 yr old scooter. If they've not clocked my feet over the white line and the flashing amber bulb, they won't hear the squeek of my feeble horn.

Any accident investigater will see my splattered remains up the center of the road and then figure where I work, hope fullly putting 2 and 2 together.

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I will illaberate (sp??).

The road is a faily busy b road. The very last sign is red triangel with a picture of a tractor and the words Farm Traffic. There is a straight pice of road then it bares to the right, but you can't see throught the corner. After the corner ther is enough straight to do a quick overtake. The end od the corner is many be 50 yards from the farm enterance. The road goes east west and this is normally in the monring on the way in so any bs about I can't see you lights is out, cos the sun is on my back. ALL the lights work on our machines and they are dead easy to see.

When I'm on my tractor I just think, go on make my day. The sprayer guy also reports people overtaking him as he turns into the yard. You don't need to hit a sprayer. They smell and are full of chemicals that people with sandles and beards complain about. The only way I've found to stop them on me tractor is to have the right wheels over the centre line and some times you still get the odd clown.

Blocking the road on a decent size tractor is faily easy, less so on a C90.

I get over before the corner opens up and indicate and am right on the center line as I approach the turning, but they still nip past. In the last month I've had a disco a fiesta and a bandit do this to me on my bike.
Grrr.

I brought this up on my first advanced course and the BIB said keep turning (on tractor) and if they hit you we'll throw the book at them...

I was following a tractor and trailer which pulled out in front of me in Germany last week. The trailer was full of big branches and stuff and you couldn't see the tractor from behind. I'm sitting in a right-hand drive car on the right-hand side of the road so I decide to wait a bit and see what happens before attempting an overtake. The driver (very sensibly IMO) moves to the centre of the road and turns left.
Reverse this for the UK - why don't you straddle the centre line in your tractor, Adam, then other drivers will be much more careful about attempting an overtake. They won't be sure if you're going right or left (to go into a field maybe?).


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adam.L wrote:
I will illaberate (sp??).

The road is a faily busy b road. The very last sign is red triangel with a picture of a tractor and the words Farm Traffic. There is a straight pice of road then it bares to the right, but you can't see throught the corner. After the corner ther is enough straight to do a quick overtake. The end od the corner is many be 50 yards from the farm enterance. The road goes east west and this is normally in the monring on the way in so any bs about I can't see you lights is out, cos the sun is on my back. ALL the lights work on our machines and they are dead easy to see.

When I'm on my tractor I just think, go on make my day. The sprayer guy also reports people overtaking him as he turns into the yard. You don't need to hit a sprayer. They smell and are full of chemicals that people with sandles and beards complain about. The only way I've found to stop them on me tractor is to have the right wheels over the centre line and some times you still get the odd clown.

Blocking the road on a decent size tractor is faily easy, less so on a C90.

I get over before the corner opens up and indicate and am right on the center line as I approach the turning, but they still nip past. In the last month I've had a disco a fiesta and a bandit do this to me on my bike.
Grrr.

I brought this up on my first advanced course and the BIB said keep turning (on tractor) and if they hit you we'll throw the book at them...

I was following a tractor and trailer which pulled out in front of me in Germany last week. The trailer was full of big branches and stuff and you couldn't see the tractor from behind. I'm sitting in a right-hand drive car on the right-hand side of the road so I decide to wait a bit and see what happens before attempting an overtake. The driver (very sensibly IMO) moves to the centre of the road and turns left.
Reverse this for the UK - why don't you straddle the centre line in your tractor, Adam, then other drivers will be much more careful about attempting an overtake. They won't be sure if you're going right or left (to go into a field maybe?).



I do pull into the centre of the road with my 16.9-14x38 (tiddlers) rear tyre well over the line and they still come past. The potato harvester is wider than the lane and they still come past. I try to take up as much room as C90 can on my back, but that will really hurt when my luck runs out one morning...


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Tractor - part of way of life here. Ist not difficult to wait und keep distance. You know they will move out of way into a field sometime soon. Ist case of holding back und looking ahead for the field entrance gap too - if you see one ahead - ist more than likely tractor driver ist going to head for this... ist common sense. Ist COAST of course! :wink:

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Just to add fuel to you're fire, a freind of mine was actually charged with driving with undue care and attention for colliding with a car turning right whilst he was overtaking .

Surely the same scenario applies if someone turns left out of the same junction ? I have always believed that extreme caution is required if overtaking near a junction , and have always been under the impression that the responsibility lies with the overtaker.

I think its this attitude that has kept me out of trouble on my motorcycle whilst I've seen so many other more unfortunate incidents occur through people believing that they are in the right and "assuming" that everyone can see them .

Just for the record , I (and many others) thought at the time that he was a twat for having that accident . Completely preventable.


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