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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 16:22 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4235338.stm
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Road trains proposed for Britain

Super lorries weighing up to 60 tons could be operating on Britain's roads under a proposal being considered by the Government.

An application for the "road trains" has been submitted to the Department of Transport by company Denby Transport.

The scheme has received support from the Road Haulage Association (RHA) which believes road trains make commercial and environmental sense.

The current limit for heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) is 44 tons.

But environmental group Transport 2000, which has called for more freight to be taken by rail, said road trains would eventually drive through villages and town centres.

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Denby Transport has submitted an application for the 60 ton Denby Eco Link lorry, which is divided into two trailers and is 83ft long. The maximum for HGVs at present is 62ft.

A report on the scheme is also being drawn up for Transport Minister Dr Stephen Ladyman.

The RHA said the lorry would only travel on motorways between regional distribution centres.

"There are 428,000 trucks registered and if we could reduce that number to have one truck for every two - we're all for it.

"The whole industry wants to run efficiently, it would make commercial and environmental sense," a spokesman said.

Stephen Joseph, director of Transport 2000, said road trains "have no place on Britain's country lanes and town centres".

"Although the application has said they will be confined to motorways between distribution depots we've heard this before about lorries," he said.

"In practice we've ended up with very large juggernauts going down country lanes and roads built for a horse and cart.

"The public want to see more freight by rail, not on the roads."

A Department of Transport spokesman said Dr Ladyman would be considering the application, but there was no deadline for making a decision.

I know these Denby artics have come up in discussion before, but it cetainly seems from this that we're a bit closer to them being on the roads. Personally I'm not fussed either way, but I'm more than a little sceptical of the usual T2000 hysteria. Is it even feasible to attempt to take one of these through the narrower villages and country lanes? You can hardly park up to cut down a hedge or ask someone to move their house. Is there a serious reason to disbelieve the RHA and other supporters when they say these vehicles will be sticking to the main routes and motorways?

And just because I can't resist it [cod Crocodile Dundee impersonation] That's not a road train... this is a road train![/Dundee impersonation]
Aussies.... :loco: :lol: but almost worth trying here just to see T2000 apoplectic with rage. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 17:28 
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And just because I can't resist it [cod Crocodile Dundee impersonation] That's not a road train... this is a road train![/Dundee impersonation]
Aussies.... :loco: :lol: but almost worth trying here just to see T2000 apoplectic with rage. :twisted:


nuts. THIS sort is quite common once you get out into the sticks. You certainly know about it when you have one come past you in the opposite direction, and before they were limited the used to absolutely bomb it along as well.


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Some sort of train network alongside Motorways which could pick up vehicles and transport them could be an idea.

If I could get onto the M1 at DIRFT and get off at junction 35, as I often do, just by parking on a road train, or real train for that matter, I would do it. :)

It would keep the mileage down, cut congestion, cut fuel emmisions, etc.

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My day job is concerned with Road Trains that can convey up to 3000 tonnes in about 30-40 vehicles all coupled together, (around 100 tonnes per vehicle). The're very popular for coal and other bulk materials, and also containers and swap-bodies. They are only allowed on main routes between distribution centres and travel at up to 60 mph. There are about 1500 of these a day; anyone seen one recently ??

Oh, Sorry, I mean Railroad Trains, silly me !!

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There is a world of difference between the Aussie road trains and the one proposed for the UK by Denby.
I have seen the thing in action.
You will notice that the Aussie road trains run standard 13.6m trailers, apart from the one attached to the prime mover, they are all on trailer dollies attached to a hitch at the back of the previous trailer.
The Denby is different. The second trailer is attached to the first one by a 5th wheel mounted above the axle bogey of the front trailer.
This bogey steers almost as much as the sterr axle on the prime mover.
It allows the whole rig to do a slalom course with the cones set at 12.5m apart, the dollied trailer rig set up can only manage 16m.
The denby rig will go around a corner just the same as a single artic and trailer, just takes a bit longer to do it.
There is no intention to use these rigs to deliver to your local tesco's or the corner shop in the village you live in.
the intention is to use them for delivery between factory and major distribution centre, who already have the real estate to handle them, and by using major roads only. I don't like having even rigid trucks coming down my street, but they have to to make their deliveries, and I have taken Artics down streets smaller than my street.
It is envisaged that should they be required to take one into a small industrial estate, they would split the trailers to do so.
The Denby double is quite capable of being reversed round a 90degree corner as the steering axles can be locked up in the straight ahead position.
Two of these rigs will take 1 out of 3 13.6m artic off the road.

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Yep, I've not seen the Denby double trialer (apart from pics on the forum somewhere) but I've seen Aussie road trains for myself... not the same at all, which is why I did that link to the Aussie record. 3 trailers seems to be most common there, though once you get near the cities they're more often 2. But I'm told there are some monsters out in the middle of nowhere that need about a mile of space to overtake.... but the same bloke also told me about drop bears. :wink:

I expect some pillock journo or Trainspot 1650 campaigner stuck the label on the Denbys because, well, two trailers... must be a road train. :roll: And by the same reasoning my arse must be in politics. I think using the term road train says more about the journo/whoever than it does about the Denby.

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