Safe Speed Forums

Well, it wouldn't be me.

1st point is I don't speed on the bike, except to overtake in a safe manner, thats all about minimising exposure to risk. Thats another problem with your robots and hence our issues with them - they cannot take into account the manouver being performed wheras a trafpol can.

2nd point is, several people I know are fully capable of pulling a wheelie of sufficient length to defeat you without even breaking a sweat. Once you find the balance point it will stay up all day.

As to reckless or dangerous driving...bikers all know thats a load of crap, because someone who is sufficiently skilled to be able to control such a wheelie is a lot safer that a woman looking at the kids in the back seat, or some tw*t who is on a mobile phone and hence distracted, or even someone distracted by spending 95% of their time monitoring their speedometer to avoid you and your brethren. Please notice the keyword distracted - when you are on a motorcycle, you are never, ever distracted as your life depends on total situational awareness which is something that many car drivers locked in their cages do not have. "Sorry Mate, didn't see you". Thats why we like loud exhausts so that all the blind idiots can at least hear us coming.

I rest my case without even mentioning modified plates that can be flipped up at the flick of a switch - they are out there because I have seen them.

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1) pulling a wheelie is generally covered under 'play street offences'.

2) again and again ad nausium, forcing riders to slam on to pass the scam is FAR more dangerous than exceeding the speed limit - locking up on a bike is NOT fun...

3) all performance bikes are designed to be safe and controllable at high speed. Therefore the question of 'is it dangerous at all' is yet again at the front of my mind. At the weekend, I jumped off a 26 year old 650cc cruiser onto a 10 year old 900cc sports bike and the difference was phenomenal, so I can vouch for that.

4) as I said in my little...outburst...earlier, who cares if you're speeding on a bike, who's going to come off worse?

5) I'd sooner pay £35 for having no / illegal number plate than £60 and 3 points for speeding.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

I could be wrong but I believe that may only be the case for NO number plate .

Riding with a false one is a far more serious offence , possibly perverting the course of justice (whatever that is ?).

Certainly used to be the case that having an illegal plate was just classed as having no plate. Not sure if it's been changed though...

Of course having the wrong number plate for the vehicle is a little different...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

I see that JJ has still not grasped that bit of the law which requires that "A POLICE OFFICER IS CONVINCED THAT A VEHICLE IS SPEEDING" - NOW THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY, TINPOTS ACTING OUTWITH THE LAW

I'm afraid I don't buy into the 'what's the problem if I only kill myself argument' completely. As there is the burden of cost to deal with clean up and disposal. I don't accept the govt. figures for this either as we couldn't close AE departments if we cut road accidents.


Of course we could have our cake and eat it if the government focused on primary safety (skills, education engineering) rather than secondary safety (speed kills) then people could ride fast and safely.

With regard to JJ's bluff and bluster - the aim of identifying the rider or driver is to convince them that they will be indentified if they choose to go to court. It would appear that 80% (and falling) of speed tax victims simply accept the evidence of their accuser as fact and accept the fixed penalty.

JJ should know better than imply that unchallenged convictions = legal precedent as clearly this is not the case. Almost all challenges are resolved on appeal which suggest that magistrates don't have the experience or mental capacity to understand the facts within the law.

The reality is that even if the scamerati have a high res close up of your face they cannot submit it as evidence of identity without having first obtained permision from a court prior to taking the photo.

You could use the same argument against extreme sports. At the end of the day, its cheeper to clean up a dead body than keep someone alive in IC for months...

Personally I'd rather be wiped out in a bike accident than trapped in a car wreck and then left disabled.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Totally agree. then where do you draw the line.

smokers, fat people, pregnant mums, stressed workers all increase their risk of expensive medical care.

however, if you splat yourself into a tree, you will at the very least cause a traffic jam. But on the other hand no state pension needs.

thats why I said I don't agree with the govt. so called cost savings for reducing casualties. 1 in 3 fatalities would have gone on to develop cancer at some stage in their life for example

Exactly, so why can't the government let us all get on with killing ourselves without fining us

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Privatisation, i believe it is called

Don't be so bloody selfish!

I mean, it's all right for you being carted peacefully off in your box, what about all the poor sods left behind, who have to endure the inevitable speed camera that springs up on the spot like a mushroom...

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CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

I thought they'd banned mushrooms.
Oh, sorry, there's nothing magic about speed cameras, is there?

cheers
Peter

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

Only the legerdemain used to justify them...

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

What if I promise to come back as an evil spirit and destroy scameras and their supporters?

It would be nice if cameras were like mushrooms, then maybe the nanny state would ban them too!

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

What I find truly amazing, is that the Police are whining they don't have resources for crime yet they can come up with cameras for this, cameras for that, forward facing cameras, rearward facing cameras etc etc.

Appears to me that the priorities are all wrong.

WHY?

They havent got "burglarcam", "drunkdrivercam" or "I'll break his window and nick his stereocam" or even "tyreslashercam" , and as for dogfouling or riding a bike with no lights - even the officials with powers to do somat about it "CSO" CAN'T REALLY COPE.

Locally Warks police are appealing for people with video cameras to hep them catch the tyreslasher they can't catch after about 2 years.

What the local police need is policecam - to monitor their force

Yeah, but you'd get away with it wouldn't you - just like PC Mark Milton and countless others. Oh wait, he's allowed to do 90 in 30s and 155 on motorways though isn't he.

35 in a 30 is a serious criminal offence for the rest of us, remember that JJ.

My my JJ,

You really are hanging on by a thread aren't you? I wonder if, when you got your Police ID badge with the "this is not a warrant card" stamped over it, you thought you were ever so important. Many civil servants like yourself are in non-jobs, they have been made up. The Government tell you that you are doing a really important and worthwhile job, trust me, they're lying
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I guess the bad thing about being in a partnership, is that you not only get screwed by the council, but the Police and the Courts too, it must be awful to think that these organisations screw you each time they need money. I would imagine that It must be like the friend who only comes around when you've a little spare cash and then you don't see for months on end.

It's like, when the council workers went on strike not so long ago, hands up who noticed a blind bit of difference? What!!! no hands, what strike you say!! guess that says it all then.

I've also thought of a great new line of employment for you, once you've finished with the Scamerati, if you save our money carefully, you could all open a McDonalds, you could line the drivethrough with cameras and have your very own cash cow whilst flipping burgers.

NO,NO.NO mpaton2004


JJ and his kind are too "honest", they'd walk into a police station and say,"i deserve a NIP,I was doing 32 in a 30 " -- still loOkIng for the flying pigs - Paul

fANTASY LAND = the place where all safety operative live, also known as noddy land, that marvelous land filled with pensioned off speed detecting devices, and pensioned off old duffers from camera partnerships, who could see more than 10 yards, those who can see less are on the roads manning cameras ang giving forth of the opinion that they are police officers and can detect a driver doing more than 0.55mph over the limit.