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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:44 
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A £490m project to upgrade driver information systems on England's motorways was announced today by the Government.
The new deal will provide a national digital system linking more that 14,000 message signs, emergency telephones, CCTV cameras and traffic monitoring systems to the Highway Agency's network of traffic control centres.
Roads Minister Stephen Ladyman said: "This is good news for the thousands of drivers who use our motorway network every day."
He went on: "The £490m upgrade, together with initiatives such as motorway traffic officers and traffic control centres, will give drivers the real-time information they need to plan their journeys more effectively, avoiding congested stretches of the network, reducing the costs to business and the levels of driver stress that delays can cause."
The upgrade will also enable the agency to develop new initiatives, such as access to real-time CCTV pictures of traffic conditions via the internet.
The first phase of the project will involve work on the M3, M4 and M62.
The contract for the work has been won by a consortium led by engineering, procurement, construction and maintenance services organisation Fluor.
The consortium will be known as GeneSYS Telecommunications.
The new organisation's contract replaces the current arrangements, which involve a large number of different telecommunication contracts.
This comes as a report out today recommends speed limits should be displayed to drivers in their vehicles through the setting-up of a electronic database.
This Government-established database could then enable a voluntary driver-operated system to be introduced that slows vehicles down if they exceed the speed limit, the report from The Motorists' Forum added.
The forum - an independent body including the AA, RAC and car manufacturers - said installing aircraft-style accident "black boxes" in cars would also help provide crucial information about the cause of crashes.
The forum's report concluded that speed is a contributory factor in road accidents.
Managing speed is therefore essential if a real reduction in casualties is to be achieved, the forum said.
Forum chairman Sir Trevor Chinn said: "Today's launch is a strong message from the motoring world that more needs to be done to tackle the problem of speeding and to make our roads safer. That means all of us playing our part."


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:05 
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The Motorists Forum:

http://www.cfit.gov.uk/mf/

Independent?

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enable a voluntary driver-operated system to be introduced that slows vehicles down


Oh yes "voluntary".....like ID cards were going to be.

I don't think £490M is going to go very far. Probably enought to give a lick of paint to all the current signs

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enable a voluntary driver-operated system to be introduced that slows vehicles down

Er... would that be that funny black flappy thing in the middle of the footwell? It's always worked for me so far.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 15:11 
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malcolmw wrote:
The Motorists Forum:

http://www.cfit.gov.uk/mf/

Independent?


Dunno. According to this page the forum consists of the following people:

Cllr Tony Brown - Local Government Association
Douglas Campbell OBE - Disabled Drivers' Association
Chief Constable Stephen Green QPM - Association of Chief Police Officers
David Holmes CB - RAC Foundation
Martin Joseph - National Society for Clean Air
John Lewis - British Vehicle Rental and Leasing Association
Christopher Macgowan - Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders
Simon Machell - RAC
Bert Morris - AA Motoring Trust
John Mumford OBE - UK Petroleum Industry Association Ltd
Tim Parker - Automobile Association
Roger Putnam - Ford Motor Company Ltd
Michael Roberts - Confederation of British Industry
Archie Robertson OBE - Highways Agency
Stephen Sklaroff - Association of British Insurers
Steve Gooding - Department for Transport (Adviser to the Forum)

Draw yout own conclusions :wink: . I suppose it would have been expecting too much for them to ask Paul or someone from the ABD, but I'm a little surprised not to see the IAM or RoADA on there.

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Cynically, I should think the only opinions that matter in this forum will be:

- The Chaiman - unmentioned in the list but working on his ermine.
- Mr Gooding - the Government adviser (who probably advises that the funding for this little get together wil disappear if the "wrong" conclusions are reached).

Note that this is the MOTORIST'S forum but it is populated by the CBI, the Highways agency, SMMT etc.

Maybe I can't be objective about the Government's motives anymore.

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" The forum's report concluded that speed is a contributory factor in road accidents. "

Why on earth are people who come to these sort of conclusions still employed?


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mpaton2004 wrote:
" The forum's report concluded that speed is a contributory factor in road accidents. "

Why on earth are people who come to these sort of conclusions still employed?

Well.. It is... Not heard of many parked cars shunting into each other.. :)

It's just that one would expect a tad more intellectual rigour from the self-styled advisory bodies.

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And don't forget that the person that issues the minutes is one of the most important people there - after the event it doesn't matter what was said, the minutes are easily slanted to give whatever conclusions are wanted.


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And don't forget that the person that issues the minutes is one of the most important people there - after the event it doesn't matter what was said, the minutes are easily slanted to give whatever conclusions are wanted.

True... If "Yes Minister" is to be believed, they write the minutes before the meeting. :)

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mpaton2004 wrote:
" The forum's report concluded that speed is a contributory factor in road accidents. "

Why on earth are people who come to these sort of conclusions still employed?

Well.. It is... Not heard of many parked cars shunting into each other.. :)

It's just that one would expect a tad more intellectual rigour from the self-styled advisory bodies.


I was being ironic. It took a whole advisory panel work that one out? :D


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