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Hello There,

My friend has just received 3 points through the post as a result of my driving. Now, I was not insured on the car and my friend will not accept the three points as they already have three already.
What are the consequences of this? Can I just give my licence number and details and then they just give me the three points and leave it at that? Or do they do a crosscheck of insurance after me giving my licence details? I am not sure of the procedures.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks

Pop across to pepipoo.com, they're the ones with all the legal eagle gen.

Anyway, I'm confused. YOU were driving a vehicle against which an offfence has been recorded and yet your friend somehow took the hit? Is that right?

Hi Ripig,

Yes that is correct. My friend is the registered driver of the car and everything is in their name, that is why they recieved the fine and points. But I am responsible as I was driving when the offence committed and my friend is not accepting the points as they have three already.

Doh!

I assume this was an automated penalty, i.e. you were nailed by a fixed or mobile speed camera, as opposed to being flagged down by a trafpol? You say your friend has 'received' the fine and points, is this correct or have they been issued with an NIP asking for the driver to be identified?

You seem to have two choices.

One option is to carry on with your life of crime. Eventually, you might be put away for a while, and we won't have to worry about another driver on the roads who could crash into us or our friends or families with no insurance. On the other hand, you could get with the programme and start to act properly, like a decent person.

Ultimately, you have to choose to continue to be part of the problem, or to change and become part of the solution.

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If you were driving with no insurance, I don't think you're going to find much sympathy here or on PePiPoo, unless you have some genuine reason for doing so?

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Carl Prescott

I was caught by a fixed speeed camera. My friend has received a form asking for the drivers information. I am not totally aware of what details the form requires. They just said that I have to fill in a form and send it back within 28 days stating my details. What details the form is asking for? I am not sure. So I am assuming that they have not been issued with the points yet until they send back the form. If I fill out the form my worry is that they check the details with the car that is registered against the crime. I am not aware nof the procedures involved on their end. As you can tell my information is vague and is not sometimes clear. This is the first time it has happened to me.

Carl P,

I am not looking for sympathy. I understand the severity and potential consequences for not driving without insurance. However, the cirumstances which me and my friend were under (this being me driving them to hospital) there was no alternative.
I just want some advice on what procedures the Law/DVLA takes on situations such as this. And if there is anything I can do about it.

Thanks

Oh my gahhhd, fetch the violins!!!

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Ticket offices do not have any means to check that the person who admits to being the driver is insured. They're really only interested in collecting the £60. As long as you have a valid licence, you will be OK - but learn the lesson.

driver17, the law and basingwork have the same attitude - the law is absolute and there is absolutely no mitigation possible. That is why you find that people have been prosecuted for crossing a red light to get out of the way of an ambulance with lights and sirens on. The red light and unlikely (but potential) accident is more important that the live that is definitely in danger.

This intolerant and pig headed attitude is what most of us on this site believe needs to be moderated to allow for reason and common sense... unfortunately reason and common sense are in very short supply with the current government and it is them pushing it all along.

Indeed. Driver17, note also that one of the most common accusations levelled at speed cameras within this forum is that they do not detect uninsured drivers, even after they detect a speeding offence. You will probably be fortunate in this case, but if SS'ers had their way this would not be the case; you would be more likely to be nailed by a trafpol who would pull you over and either check your documents there and then or issue a producer.

No sympathy if you drove without the insurance.

Your repsonsibility to know if you are insured und you ask friend if his policy ist "anyt driver insurance und check before you get in that driving seat.

BUT...
Your friend should also have checked his policy detail as well before trustitng you with his car. Think there ist some obligation -0 but you need to find IG's posts as think he did mention this somewhere. You both have some responsibility for this... I would not allow my car to be driven by any person without checking he was covered to drive it . Am part of large family - we make sure all cars und selves insured to drive any car.

Are some posts made by my cousin IG on this site somewhere on Insurance - have look through the next pages or use search engine for insurance as he posted a few thread quizes on subject. Suggest you und your friend print them out und both read und learn.

As far as the NIP - you pal has to name a driver. We have already discussed this...scam fails to nail the uninsured (etc). They would check licence to see if there ist a tot-up und then fine you £60 und give you penalty points. A BiB would have given a producer - und BiB would prosecute over the non compliance over insurance.

Also - a read up about COAST would not go amiss if you missed a lolly and a scam!

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IF I do end up with a fine, three points and nothing more I will be thankful. However, I would like to re-itterate that I am not condoning my behaviour and conduct of the crime I have committed. I do appreciate all of your comments and I am taking everything on board.

*IF* you were really driving him to hospital then can't you take proof that you attended the hospital and that it was a serious matter to a court case. Surely any speeding fines and insurance problems would be overlooked if this was a serious enough medical alert????

well this is what I am hoping the 'law' can take into consideration. As the hospital was private and I had to pay, I have receipts and proof from the hospital that we were there at that time and for a particular reason that could not be avoided. Then again, it was said earlier that that the law does not look at the details surrounding the circumstances,...I was driving too fast and without insurance and thats all they care about. I am not totally sure.

Liebchen - we had the man prosecuted taking mama-to-be in final stage of labour to hospital. Only dropped after media slated it...


Ambulance carrying donor liver - only dropped after outcry in press...


Und then ist man who ran red light to assist ambulance in a hurry....but no sympathy there...

Und last year - Mad Doc was told by several BiB on line - even IG that he may just get away speeding me to hospital on green light flash - but to make sure to get the police escorts. Was not time.... my kittens pop out fairly quickly once I start! (Ist much to be thankful for - und Mad Doc ist most careful driver anyway - he slowed at hot spots anyway und I nagged him to get a move on und to stop mucking about .. )


I am sure the sub marinated one would have been all sympathy - not ... He ist reminding of that character in an old daft sit com who used to scream "Oi'll get you for this one day!"!

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

wouldn't bet on it, i got done for topping up a meter evan though i replyed explaining i was attending an urgent call out at a drug rehab place that had broken electrical fittings and exposed live parts, with a copy of the firms invoice attatched. their response was "so f%&!ing what, pay up."

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oh, and a good friend of mine was an ambulance driver who got a parking ticket WHILE they loaded a patient into the back...

god help any traffic wardens that need an ambulance... or beelzebub help should that be.

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A few years ago my sister was attacked by a dog really badly and was losing a lot of blood very quickly. I called for an ambulance and they said it would be about 10 minutes before it arrived.

Well the hospital is 10 minutes away so I put her in the car and drove as fast as I could to get there. Literally 50 metres from the entrance, just before you turn right into A&E, there is a GATSO in a 30 zone. The road is very wide and I see no reason for it to be a 30.

I knew the camera was there but with my sister bleeding all over the place I just flew by it. For whatever reason on this particular day it didn't flash, even though I was going more than 50.

However, if they truley do not care that you are taking emergency cases to hospital and would have fined me regardless of this then I strongly suspect that camera is put there to catch all the people rushing to A&E.