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I must say I agree with you and Pete317. There is no way that simply exceeding a speed limit should result in a custodial sentence. If it could be shown that dangerous driving was involved, that might be a different matter.

The punishment of motoring offenders has become quite nonsensical relative to the treatment given to those who set out to wilfully cause harm to others.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

We already have the precedent of a police driver escaping with no punishment for driving at over 150mph. Clearly, we can conclude that a speed of over 150mph is not considered dangerous in itself.

So the only way they could reasonably claim that 112mph is dangerous is if the conditions were significantly worse, or the driver had such a drastically lower level of skill than the police driver that 112mph was dangerous for him but 150+mph was safe for the police driver.

And of course, if the speed is dangerous purely in itself, the police driver must also be considered to have been driving dangerously. Police drivers are exempt from speed limits whilst on police business, but they are surely not exempt from the requirement to avoid "dangerous driving".

I can't believe what I'm reading here !

I've been away for a couple of weeks and it looks like I've returned to a different site.

I remember not long ago debating that PC Milton wasn't automatically dangerous JUST because of his speed , now everyone seems to be advocating locking this guy up on the basis of him being a bit of a twat ( no arguments from me there, him being a twat, not locking him up )

No other evidence has been put forward on this thread that leads me to believe that he did anything other than drive a very powerful car at just over 50% of its potential ( is he really so alone in doing this).

I think that a bit of football mentality has crept into this thread , and I for one would be very dissapointed if peoples opinions were maybe being swayed by what colour shirt he wears !!!!!

I don't like to see footballers and celebrities get away with paltry fines whilst Joe Bloggs and co. get the book at him, but that dosen't mean I'd like to see this chap go to jail for an offence that I myself once stood accused of ( 111 mph case not proven BTW ).

Seems to be a lot of Knee jerking going on here for some reason.

It is clear that a harsher penalty must be available for a more serious or repeated commission of a technical offence. And it is. A licence suspension for an indvidual offence or on totting up is the harsher penalty provided by law.

A custodial sentence for a speeding only offence is way OTT.

I don't agree that someone should be jailed for speeding. If he was driving dangerously that is another issue.

I suspect he would win on appeal.

Absolutely right. That should be the only issue. I haven't a clue who this Bowyer bloke is (other than being a footballer, which I've only worked out from reading the posts here). Is this one of those times where someone's fame (or infamy perhaps) is working against them?

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Infamy.

Lee Bowyer - Footballer: currently Newcastle United, previously West Ham (5 months) and before that Leeds United and originally Charlton. Occasionally England.

Infamous for:

Alleged racist attacks - two year+ case before being acquitted at Hull Crown Court for serious assault. Evidence included the victims blood being found on his jacket and Jury were not allowed to see the very long record record of previous assaults he had accumulated. The trial of Bowyer and Woodgate took away two key players for Leeds and contributed to Leeds being relegated from the Premiership.
Dirty play - record number of bookings and sendings off in one season.
Arrogance - putting money first caused Liverpool to abandon transfer. Refusing to pay club fines caused Leeds to transfer him at a loss of £2.5M.
Stupidity - had an on-field fight with Kieron Dyer in a televised match, both get sent off, but apparently carry on fighting down the tunnel. Bowyer and Dyer were on the same side...

He gets 5 pages of hits on a search of BBC News, as well as plenty for BBC Sport etc. Probably the footballer most famous for drunken, violent and criminal behaviour...

Ta for the info. Just Googled him as well. He certainly doesn't sound like the sort of person I'd want to have a drink with.

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Umm, I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting locking him up if all he has done is speeding.

However, like many others I have zero sympathy for him and consider that with his previous driving record he really should know better.

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have very little regard for him (or at least what I know about him)

But whats next, exceed your parking meter by 1 hour then be fined, 5 hours then jail?

Were you among the Birmingham City fans whose campaign in the press against Bowyer's proposed transfer there caused him to lose interest in moving to the club? If you were, then WELL DONE, and do it again if it looks like being revived!

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Not really, I originally came from West Sussex, a county well known for having nothing resembling a Football team, so I never really got into it, and I have never been to a match.

As a child I associated myself with Leeds United because a) I liked the name despite not having a clue where Leeds was, and b) I remember watching the 1972 FA Cup final on telly, which they won. I also liked Wolves because of the name, and I thought the badge was cool too!

In more recent years I followed the progress of both these teams as it was a way of being involved in water cooler conversations at work - my renewed following of Leeds coincided with their collapse of form and relegation. So having learnt my lesson, I am now back in the "Football is one of the most overrated, overpaid and pointless sports ever" camp.

He is a twa*, no doubt about that.

He should not undergo any form of custody unless the driving was dangerous. You only have to watch programmes like Road Wars - it boggles the mind the punishment that gets handed to a twokker, being chased by police at 80-100mph through residential streets....ie a slap on the wrist for incredibly dangerous behaviour, then someone is threatened with jail for a technical office (if that is the full story)

Or a ASBO for dealing crack cocaine (recent story)!!!!!!

What a bloody country, justice is stood on its head

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