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Cheers Ernest.

Treated myself to some new toys - only problem is I've got to get acquainted with them!


Very significantly COAST is the first thing marked on the course and the the speed area appears to be more concerned with COAST and car handling rather than the lollipops. All they have on this is "knowledge of/recognises/abides by" I did ask the chap who did this course about this and all they do is ask the driver where he saw the lollipops - he got the impression they were more concerned with improving observation skills as opposed to actually sticking rigidly to the letter of the limit


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Mate, RTTM also stands for "Read The Thing's Manual". :P :lol:

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Liebchen! Ist exactly my advice to him :hehe:

As for the course. Three drivers at my firm were pinged in Lancs und got the invites - they all got the above letter und feedback form at end of course.

Of the three drivers - one was pinged by the white Hertz rentavan at Garstang. :roll: This was apparently the same one which parked illegally und copped drivers just as they entered the lower 30 mph limit from the 40 mph und was the one which was criticised in the tabloids ca October 2003: it seem one driver thought it was abandoned und discovered camera operator hiding under blanket in the back :roll: per the tabloid report which started in the StUN und filtered to the rest from there. :hehe:

His "dangerous" speed? It was 34 mph :roll: The other one was via fixed cam on urban dual at 34mph und the last one to get pinged here was another Gatso on similar type road at 35mph cut off at the time. As result of public criticism in press over this, Lancs then announced in April 2004 that they were revising und offering course across the speed limit range but would issue warning up to 10%+2 und offer course alternative to 10%+5 und fix penalty the rest. Hence the current national debate on Radio Two stating up to 39 mph for the courses. Since Lancs became slightly less draconian - 2004 stats were much better than 2003 - but income from fines/course still on rise! :roll: We still hear of people offered course at 34mph in some part of this county though. :roll:

As for our guys: All are IAM guys und were in company cars at time of "offence" so initial NIP arrived at the HQ und Personnel und everything filled in accordingly from then on. They opted for the course as they did not wish points on licences und we asked exactly what happened as ist of much interest, especially since my Uncle (IG’s papa was on some consulting committee.) :bow: :clap:

Per our guys's feedback:

Morning was in the classroom – where they discussed why they think people speed. According to the general consensus – probably down to “being in a hurry”, “being pressured to meet some deadline”, “genuine speed limit mistake”, “missed sign” and so on. They were then asked who was to blame for their “speeding” und the general consensus was that since all present were apparently 33-35mph invitees – there had been some hair splitting in some cases (und they had all mentioned their NIP speed in the group introductions as well per all three chaps at my firm). This led to the discussion of Concentration on road und things to concentrate on. They were told that you see whole picture but that people tend to concentrate on thing at once, und the course leaders apparently told their classes that when driving we concentrate and react to the parts of environment on which we are concentrating. (Contrast with IG;s “relaxed concentration where he likens our concentration to that we give to the TV show’ plot we are following und comments on alertness und scanning) :wink:

They then discussed observation techniques – scanning ahead und using all senses – sight, hearing, smell to take in the broader picture. Und they were told exactly as IG has posted – und that no hazard ist “suddenly und from nowhere” They then went on to discuss zone of visibility, anticipation und what to look out for – und ist as IG has already posted – und as I also posted on PH: cluster of lamp posts, single lamp post, wobbly cyclist, post office vans (look ahead to see where they may stop like post box etc,), railway lines by road, lines on road – und you have to read these fluently like a book. After they discussed this – the discussion went on to Space und Time – covering distance, two second ruling, planning reaction to hazard, defensive driving, positioning car und so on. After this they had coffee break und returned to watch some spot the hazard developing DVD und they trained them to look. Our guy was also told that squirrels doing kamikaze act from tree was a hazard which he had not thought of. Think they were winding him up! :hehe:

Then after lunch – it was series of drives with ADIs who assessed the driving per the above sheet.

So to those very silly C plus people…. Still wish to argue about it und bitch about the Swiss on your site?

This ist the proof und after reading your really daft comment und general silliness earlier today on a browse - I would be most grateful if that handful of persons refrain from visiting either Appenzell Kanto or Lake District or Dales or Lancs Hills or Wales or Cambs or Northumberland as this ist where my relatives whom I love very much live und I do not want people like ythis handful of non-cuyclists who whine when present with the home truths as to why they get doored or ride into things to endanger livesof mu family! Feel free to visit Durham or Manchester und Met area of London though und if you must visit Switzerland - Luzerne - as the family BiB all reside here und will hopefully fine you for dangerous pedalling!


The above advice ist all about how to ride und drive SAFELY und if you cannot accept this then perhaps a lunatic asylum would be most appropriate place.

These last two paragraph, Paulie, are aimed at our silly C+ lurkers who do not seem to have even have one half brain cell to share between them given the insane comments on the thread in question - where bloke tried to explain COAST. He asked IG to provide some documentation und we had the completed document which appears above. They then even have the stupidity to question the very prats they profess to support!

Which prove nothing to do with road safety und everything to do with jealousy because they cannot ride safely (proven by the accident they claim to have when whining on the site, are unable to learn anything (also proven by repeat of same accident they whine of on their site) und do not drive cars (proven by their begrudgement of anyone who own smallest car)

If we had system where we all ride bicycle - we would have to have much tighter rules for cyclists. 30 million riders replacing car drivers - you have never experienced so many jostling for position before - so whole new set of rules will be required. Bear in mind China und India - fewer cars - millions of cyclists und lot of very nasty und fatal accidents arising from sheer density of traffic und poor roads.

Und as for their "save the planet" stuff. Bunch of :censored: hypocrites :furious:. They own computers. They would not be made but for residue of oil/petrol refinery industry. They burn electricity by constantly being on line to whine too! They take bikes on planes packed in plastic bike bags! They use taisn powered by DIESEL und ELECTRICITY - which alos consume fossil fuels. They shop on the internet - und since the deliveries are on low use by date - probably much of this food gets wasted. Ist also case of delivery vans clogging up th roads too. If you are so eco-warriorlike - GROW YOUR OWN und go back to living in a cave!

They advocate wind turbines und they say say they are not "noisy" Really? Well they should try the ones on up on one of the Fells already of pay visit to Bronte country und they would find that these make sound like claws on a blackboard. :yikes:

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Have read their ramblings und hopefully they read. By the way - still not read one word of apology to my sister who was proven CORRECT! :stirthepot: :stirthepot: :stirthepot:

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I think I understood most of that :D
However, I went to visit the wind turbines at top of the Sedburgh road, and went inside one, and I have to say the noise was limited to a near silent whhooop noise as the blade swished past.
The tractor three fields away was making more noise!!

Is this down to the age of the turbine? I suspect the new ones are better designed, and are much quieter than the old.

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Ach! But the older ones und those really giantanormous ones make noise which make my "fur stand on end" :yikes:

Und after a while the silent "whhhooooo--oppp!" noise begin to grate after a while too. :wink:

As for C+ characters.:stirthepot:.. the only place in Lancs I think they should visit is Blackpoo! ist about right sort of place to jazz them up a bit und probably these complacent idiots :roll: will not see the trams or the horse und donkey poo on the road way as they ride without COAST at the Coast! :lol: The only thing they appear to have ist Atiitude - a problem one :wink: On treaty trip to funfair with kittens - the one I saw sat in pile of horse poo which he failed to see und was full of "attitude" toward the horse: it was all the horse's fault :rotfl: Well - if he will ignore a red light und have to swerve out of way of car und tram as result..... :roll: He asked another passer by to confirm the horse poo caused the problem und got all stroppy when passerby pointed out the red light und so on.

Of course if he had pedalled using COAST - he would have seen the lights change und stopped - thus not having to swerve for tram und car und losing balance landing in the pile of horse poo which appear "suddenly und from nowhere" :lol:

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:yesyes: Liebchen . His face ;lol: und it must have been biggest pile of poo ever seen in Blackpoo. That horse really dropped a sackful of digested oats. :rotfl: It was still warm und steaming as well :rotfl: His face was picture. It was all over helmet (at least he wear one - und better to have the poo on helmet than in his hair :rotfl:) My kittens found this episode more entertaining than the funfair - dodgems apart :wink: und we are known "legend" on those dodgems at most funfairs now ... :lol: :twisted:

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You're comedy Wildcat. :)

Shame that COAST has been so tarnished in my sub-conscious since it first appeared. I'll stick with simple "respect for all road users" or "treat everyone as you'd like to be treated yourself". A bit simpler and conveys all the essentials.


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Shame that COAST has been so tarnished in my sub-conscious since it first appeared.

Our of curiosity, what's tarnished it for you?
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I'll stick with simple "respect for all road users" or "treat everyone as you'd like to be treated yourself". A bit simpler and conveys all the essentials.

All in favour of that, great for courteous driving/riding, but does it go far enough? That plus COAST... :)

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You're comedy Wildcat. :)


:lol: Mate you should try living with her! :lol: I've already posted some of the funnies in the past. The Christmas cake "work of art" stands out in my mind . We'd just got married and first Christmas. She's just 21 and wants to impress my mother with a traditional Christmas dinner. She spent hours decorating a fruit cake - only the "toppest" scientist forgot to test it in the middle on the slow bake :lol: She cuts into it and it's all gooey and half cooked in the middle. She calmly scoops it back on the plate - retreats into the kitchen and returns with a packet of Jaffa cakes and Lebkuchen arranged on the plate as smiley faces!


Then she puts said cake in a tin and forgets all about it - until Easter... :roll: :lol:

.. when she removes all the icing, completes the cooking and serves it to my mother for afternoon tea. :yikes:

My mother reckons Wildy's kitchen skills have "improved considerably" and asks for the recipe. Her face when Wildy explained the " cake maturing process" :rotfl:

Then there was the time she fell down the toilet! :rotfl: Came home to find the "toppest" safety conscious feline had stepped on the loo, without replacing the lid whilst hanging curtains, slipped and her foot went straight into the waste bend. She'd been there all afternoon! :yikes: I want to get the fire brigade - and she tells me not to be silly - just to get some soap, and a large brandy - and I've to soap her foot whilst she quaffs!
Took me half an hour to free her! :lol:

Over the road on PH - seems she has people's sides splitting on occasion. Had to bail her out of one thread last year. It was about ladies jewellery - the site's"ladykiller" wanted advice. ( He eventually went for the "Winged Horse of ChavTat" as dubbed by a Lancs BiB on the site. :rotfl: Well - Wildy fastened on the string of pearls reply and made a post saying how as a woman she loved pearls. :rotfl: Only - they were not talking about "pearls" - they were talking about well - er -er ...... "pearls :twisted:". We got loads of private messages over this post from bemused PH-ers! Apparently they all had to buy new keyboards after spilling their coffee! :rotfl:

When tackled about this - the purred "aber Liebchen!" :rotfl:

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Shame that COAST has been so tarnished in my sub-conscious since it first appeared. I'll stick with simple "respect for all road users" or "treat everyone as you'd like to be treated yourself". A bit simpler and conveys all the essentials.



Ah - but COAST does go a lot deeper and C as in Consideration and Courtesy covers the respect others on the road as well. We also have the French PARC (Patience/Anticipation/Responsibilty/Courtesy And German HAFEN (Politeness/Obervation/What if (or AHA!) Distance/Emergency is how it translates :wink:)

. But why is COAST "tarnished" in your sub conscious? Admit Kriss is more of a "handful" than my wife - she's a bit "laddier". But basically she only mentioned need for care after the horse and child episodes, lights, helmets and COAST making for better safety than an obsession with a speed camera.. What caused the fuss was that she could handle Bimbley/Howard's posts and really point out the flaws in the argument. Kriss did not post any abuse or rude names but I admit to cringing over the poetry and the "singing" at times :rotfl: Those Peggy Lee songs, by the way, are on her in-car CD all the time :roll:

My wife's family though - afraid they are all very lively and bubbly characters and all very sassy. :roll:

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Well - Wildy fastened on the string of pearls reply and made a post saying how as a woman she loved pearls. :rotfl: Only - they were not talking about "pearls" - they were talking about well - er -er ...... "pearls :twisted:


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Wasn't "String of Pearls" a hit for Glen Miller? :lol:

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Shame that COAST has been so tarnished in my sub-conscious since it first appeared.

Our of curiosity, what's tarnished it for you?


I hesitate to open old wounds, suffice to say the "friendly" rivalry there seems to be between here and C+ hit a new low when COAST was first publicised on that site, and as the arguments got more and more heated, and each side argued over the pettiest of points, it just got more and more depressing for onlookers. Shame really 'cos the message is good.

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I'll stick with simple "respect for all road users" or "treat everyone as you'd like to be treated yourself". A bit simpler and conveys all the essentials.

All in favour of that, great for courteous driving/riding, but does it go far enough? That plus COAST... :)


I reckon if you respect other roadusers and treat them as you'd have yourself be treated you won't go far wrong. It is such an all encompassing philosophy that it includes anything and everything COAST preaches!


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Ah - but COAST does go a lot deeper and C as in Consideration and Courtesy covers the respect others on the road as well.


Hmmm. I think we'll have to agree to disagree here MM, if you have respect for other road users then all aspects of COAST will be covered. It's what respect is!

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Admit Kriss is more of a "handful" than my wife - she's a bit "laddier". But basically she only mentioned need for care after the horse and child episodes, lights, helmets and COAST making for better safety than an obsession with a speed camera.. What caused the fuss was that she could handle Bimbley/Howard's posts and really point out the flaws in the argument. Kriss did not post any abuse or rude names but I admit to cringing over the poetry and the "singing" at times :rotfl: Those Peggy Lee songs, by the way, are on her in-car CD all the time :roll:

My wife's family though - afraid they are all very lively and bubbly characters and all very sassy. :roll:


I think it's probably due to personality clash. I've been known to dislike anyone who over-evangelises about a particular passion, usually it's a relegious or philosophical points of view. Once it was about a road safety policy...

...but the world would be a very boring and stagnant place if everyon thought alike and agreed on everything.


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I reckon if you respect other roadusers and treat them as you'd have yourself be treated you won't go far wrong. It is such an all encompassing philosophy that it includes anything and everything COAST preaches!


I see what you're saying, Peyote, but "respect for other road users" and "do as you would be done by" are the 'destination' if you see what I mean. I think it's a good enough code for (most) cycling situations but safely driving a ton or two of metal at high speed needs a route map as well as an overall target. As I see it, 'COAST' (or its components)is that route map - wrapped up in a memorable acronym.

BTW, I'm glad you continue to participate on this board and I hope you appreciate that most of us here really want to get on with all other road users.


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I hesitate to open old wounds, suffice to say the "friendly" rivalry there seems to be between here and C+ hit a new low when COAST was first publicised on that site, and as the arguments got more and more heated, and each side argued over the pettiest of points, it just got more and more depressing for onlookers. Shame really 'cos the message is good.

Fair enough, though never having posted or lurked there I don't know what was said. Still, you say it's a good message so you seem to be looking beyond any acrimonious posts and at the content itself, which is fair enough. It'd be crazy to say that you disagree with COAST (or anything) merely because of something its proponents have said in the past. More power to your elbow. :)

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I reckon if you respect other roadusers and treat them as you'd have yourself be treated you won't go far wrong. It is such an all encompassing philosophy that it includes anything and everything COAST preaches!

Yes and no. I'm with Observer here. "Do as you would be done by" is a great goal to have for all road users (actually it's a pretty good life rule too IMO) but in itself it doesn't tell you how to go about doing it. COAST does and in that respect they compliment each other.

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Well - Wildy fastened on the string of pearls reply and made a post saying how as a woman she loved pearls. :rotfl: Only - they were not talking about "pearls" - they were talking about well - er -er ...... "pearls :twisted:


:rotfl: You have to post a link to that one.



http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topi ... +Jewellery


It's 11 pages long - think Wildy gave her "advice" half way through :lol:

I still do not know if she was being seriously "innocent/butter does not melt" or not :rotfl: It looks all too innocent to me! :twisted: Vintage PH "ladykiller" though :hehe: The punchline being what he eventually decided as a present for his lady friend :rotfl:

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I reckon if you respect other roadusers and treat them as you'd have yourself be treated you won't go far wrong. It is such an all encompassing philosophy that it includes anything and everything COAST preaches!

Yes and no. I'm with Observer here. "Do as you would be done by" is a great goal to have for all road users (actually it's a pretty good life rule too IMO) but in itself it doesn't tell you how to go about doing it. COAST does and in that respect they compliment each other.



I agree. Peyote mate - respecting each other extends beyond the road into our day-to day life routines. But COAST does dig a heck of a lot deeper and the general courtesy included within COAST anyway. But COAST is the code of essentially good and courteous driving practice and "do as you would be done by" ....that would work for you, me, Gatsomate, Riggers, Paul, Roger and all on here - but we have to think of how to teach our less mature and less experienced and if we have a simple acronym which includes the basics in one easy to remember word - we may just promote some idea of good practice. My politeness and courtesy usually prompts me to allow a fellow driver to change lanes or allow a cyclist out of a side road. But in my courteous gesture I still have to be aware of the consequences of my courteous gesture and look out for the safety of allowing this courtesy by scanning ahead and anticipating a hazard for the person I am allowing into the traffic flow as well as myself. That's how COAST enhances respect and courtesy!











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I hesitate to open old wounds, suffice to say the "friendly" rivalry there seems to be between here and C+ hit a new low when COAST was first publicised on that site, and as the arguments got more and more heated, and each side argued over the pettiest of points, it just got more and more depressing for onlookers. Shame really 'cos the message is good.

Fair enough, though never having posted or lurked there I don't know what was said. Still, you say it's a good message so you seem to be looking beyond any acrimonious posts and at the content itself, which is fair enough. It'd be crazy to say that you disagree with COAST (or anything) merely because of something its proponents have said in the past. More power to your elbow. :)


Hmm. "Acrimony" This continues from the same handful though doesn't it my friend ? Kriss is not posting as NTC on there but under her established account name on odd occasions. |She's been a member since the site opened and has seen one of these trolls (spindift/Toomey/BWF/snelling/crowe/tabernacle and she tells me now bellevue) come, get banned and re-register over and over.

But Krissi's part in all this "acrimony"? She's my sister-in-law so I have to reply - else I'm "toast" :evil: :lol: :wink:

Krissi's first post as the "Nice Tame Cat" attacked the rock throwing thread and she received a lot of stick over it as I recall. When she admitted to driving a 4x4 for work purposes :yikes:.... She was told she should ride a bike to all her clients. She's a vet and I think her reply mentioning the logistics of what her job actually entails was reasonable and polite. The responses, alas, were not.

She mentioned her tale of woes with the non-cyclists from hell expecting to hear "wot numpties - giving us a bad name" but the same handful just said she'd no right to be on horseback on a rural lane and her child should not have been on the pavement. She treated such comments with the disdain they warranted as I recall.

She countered some nonsense as posted by the pet troll on the internet and he resorted to petty and vicious insult when she literally "clawed" the T2000 quotes to shreds! :lol:

Let's see - we had the "roads are safer in Europe" (Howard) and she argued that more die on urban roads there and provided proof.

She argued for wearing a helmet and being visible in the dark - and we got some Grauniad garbage as "proof" that high viz jackets are not necessary. Er - it was the opinion of a "journalist" :roll: Not proof!

And if high viz jackets are so "unnecessary" - why is it illegal not to have one in the saloon of your car in Italy, Spain and now France? Just because everyone is wearing one does not render "invisible" - you are still seen more easily!


Krissi's argument on this would be as mine: we live in rural area and no street lights. We need to pick out a person in dipped headlamps well into the distance and this helps us see you. I wear one when walking. I even carry a torch as well. I most certainly have my Lupines, my helmet light and a reflective sash or jacket when cycling in the dark. The replies from the same handful, when I skimmed through to see what she was up to, were ludicrous to the extreme - even advocating wearing black in three cases - and abusively as well. :roll: I do doubt these people ride bicycles by the way. I do lurk on occasion when I've time and have never seen these people post anything about actually riding a bike - no posts about gear, saddle, frame, tyre preferences or getting in shape for a long ride. Course I may have missed their posts on Know How which is the area I frequent on a lurk. Why do I never register and post there? Time! Only have time to post on here and occasionally on PH as and when- and it's a gentlemanly atmosphere :lol:

As for COAST - she introduced in the hope of sparking reasoned debate - but the same handful just showed themselves up again.

But, as we both know, we are talking of the same half dozen person(s) on that particular site (who only post to argue :wink: ) out of thousands of reasonable people - and I'm delighted tp read your input on here. I do try to find something of interest for seasoned and committed cyclists who prefer two wheels and 24 gears to a Jag! :lol:

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