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Well I have now picked up my first speeding fine.

I can honestly say that any respect I had for the police (and writing software for them, I did have a fair amount of respect) has been completely trampled on!

From now on there all fuckin cunts and I have no time for any of the wankers!!!

Come on Julesm, tell us what you REALLY think!

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Keep right on to the end of the road ...

I'm sorry about the language, but I can't see how what happened today has anythiong to do with road safety

I just feel robbed, and dont know how I will be able to avoid a ban in the near future if all I need is 3 more such minor misdemeanors. There was nothing dangerous about my manouvres on the road this morning, unlile all the wankers in tin boxes that regularly have a go at wiping me out!

Just after I left the pig in the bushes, I was nearly twated of the road by a van I started to pass. I thought he was passing a push bike or something, albeit without any indication. When I finally wen passed I found he had a map spread across the wheel !!!! FFS, the timing couldnt have been worse, I wanted to pull up to him a boot the fuckin van I was so angry.

I was a safe, rider that likes to make swift but safe progress, now I dont give a shit, its all about not getting nicked for me, and nothing about safety. I hope some fucka knocks this pig over in the bloody road.

In my line of work, I often act as an expert witness in Drink Drive cases, and help the police sort out genuine arseholes on the road. I struggled for ages while writing a statement for Greater Manchester Police today. Perhaps I should look for an alternative line of work.

And the big problem is that 3 million people a year are made to feel much the same way

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Got my first ticket last saturday.
It was thanks to a mobile scamera.
Now not only I have 3 points and my wallet is 60 punds lighter, but I am also regarded as a criminal.
I have some information about a burglary that happened near by our place and I intended calling the police.
Now I am wondering if I should make a deal: I give you the information, you get rid of my 3 points. Don't think they'll accept it. I will then say to them: that's how well you catch real criminals: job well done, can I have my money back please?

fnegroni, what makes you think they'll be interested in burglars?

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Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler - Einstein

My girlfriend was attacked in our nearest city last November. It was 18:00 in a busy bus station on a Saturday evening. It was a match day, just after final whistle. She was attacked by a drunk football supporter as she went to get on the bus at the bus depot less than 3 minutes walk from the football ground and 8 minutes from the main police station. It took a patrol officer over 30 minutes to attend the scene. The assilant, who got on the bus had been carried away by the bus driver. A motorway patrol car didn't catch up with the bus until it had reached it's 12th stop over an hour (30 miles) away.

Incidently, this was while my car was off the road because of someone elses criminal activities. Had my car not been off the road, I would have been able to pick my girlfriend up.

This insident get's my blood boiling even now. Especially as the police are powerless to do anything with the 5 witness statements and ID's we have.

Northumbria Police has since been listed as one of the best police forces in the country. And I for one do not think we're getting value for money from the police service.

I have now had some retribution.
I saw 2 kids on top of a pig wagon, trying (without success I must admit), to rip its lights off the roof

There was a time, not so many weeks back, when I would have either stopped them or at least given details to said pigs. Not anymore; in fact I felt like jumping up there and giving a hand.
I believe they ended up kicking it to pieces, as they clearly couldnt remove it in one piece. I'm sure I could have saved the force the cost of the replacment had I acted how my instinct willed me too, but why the fuck should I?

Sorry if you think I'm being really petty about getting taxed at the road side, but I think the so called offence was petty. Fuck em I say. From now on Im only helpping the pigs if it means Im helping a member of the public.

This demonstrates precisely how, because the police have a poor relationship with the british public, it is costing them money.

I know that ultimately, it comes out of the tax payers pocket.

However, one of the reasons they are trying to reduce accidents (so the police claim) is to saive money. The argument being that it costs a lot of money when the police have to attent accident scenes and deal with the aftermath.

If they're so keen to start saving money, how about they try and do something to mend the broken trust between the british police and the general public!?!

sorry for you mate, there ripping us to bit nothinh to do with saftey there blood sukers wright to ur mp if every one does dat we may staet to make a point and if there loseing votes well........unite ppl unite

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I'm disgusted at the way this government is fleecing the people of this country. In particular the use of Speed cameras to mug motorists and claim its road safety. I'm disgusted at the threatening NIPs that people receive they break the human rights act

You make no mention of what speed you were travelling at, or what the 'limit' was, road conditions etc etc, so just how 'minor' was your 'misdemeanor' ?

Please don't take offence at my query, I'm simply trying to get the facts which led to your misfortune.

BTW, remember, M/Cs are being rigorously 'targetted' at the moment

I was travelling at 44mph in a 30 that used to be a 40. The road in question is not in a built up area, but a straight riad between two fields, heading out of town.

The conditions were excellent, and I could have safely reached double that speed without an concerns. I was simply riding along as a safe appropriate speed on my way to work.

I now believe I may have another one in the post, going through Fakenham Magna at about 38mph.
The problem round here is tha just about all roads are getting dumbed down to stupidly slow limits at the behest of locals (that dont like things moving quickly, especially Motorbikes).

44 in a 30 sounds positivly heinous in todays PC nonsence driven society, but surely I'm not the only driver/rider that KNOWS that blind adherance to a number on a disc (which has to be a compromise or many factors) is definately not a measure of safety (or criminal activity)?

As far as Im concerned Im a bloody good road user, and see so many twats out there commiting real crimes of road use, but at this rate it will be people like me that lose licences, and that surely is the crime. The actions of the majority should be considered legal.

Don't be a tw*t, drive within the speed limits.
Show me where in the Highway Code or the RTA it says the speed limits are to be ignored if the tw*t driving thinks it is safe to exceed them.

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It's Champion Man

So, assuming you can actually drive, can you honestly say that you never exceed any speed limit, not even by an indicated 1 mph?

If yes, what is the target cruising speed you would set in a 30 mph zone to achieve this level of confidence?

And can you say that you are always absolutely confident what the speed limit is on any particular stretch of road?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Presumably he does in Cumbria

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Keep right on to the end of the road ...

So, as you say: >"I was travelling at 44mph in a 30 that used to be a 40"
You were aware (?) that it 'was' a 30 zone, and STILL exceeded this (by 14mph ) Jeez man !

Even if it were still a 40 'zone', you were still OTL !
(just suppose, some 'twat'! had been travelling in the opposite direction, (at 30mph) and just happened to, 'Wipe you (and him/her) out' ????? )
"Minor Misdemeanor" ? (as you claimed earlier) And: >"As far as Im concerned Im a bloody good road user"
Think again !

And then:>"I now believe I may have another one in the post, going through Fakenham Magna at 'about 38'mph" ??
(Another '30' zone ???)
FFS !
I mean, you 'DO' ask for it....Don't you

By the time I post this you will probably have picked up even more points, and be well on your way to being taken off the road !

As an 'Ex plod' who has seen many KSIs, perhaps this would be a good thing!
If only to protect 'YOU'................From.....'YOURSELF'

Steady on Prof! OK - would have done him for 14mph over limit. Had it been 44 in 40 - would have let it go....



Normally - one would expect a little more lollipop observation... whole point of fixed penalty - so they say.

Usually give some tips as to where they are most likely to see a lollipop to help on the general observation - plus a lecture aimed at pepping up the the hazard perception and safety. COAST usually features in some form....



Hopefully - Jules will have noted most of the COAST stuff and mended his ways....

Were you based in Notts - mate? I am up in North East - after training - been in London and Manchester before securing transfer up here..

Hi there I-G, Yeah you're right, I was a little ott with part of that post, but he should be more than just a little bit aware that bikers are being singled out and priority has been given to observations of their 'actions' by mobile patrols.

Furthermore, if the incident of 14mph otl had been 'snapped' in Notts. (yes mate, that's where I am, and was based ) he would have faced the courts and received a large fine with a possible ban, as opposed to a fixed penalty + points.

You know my stance on sCameras (Abuse/Misuse of ) by now from 'elsewhere' but 'some', not 'ALL' bikers do take liberties down this way as 90% of our sCams are front facing 'Specs' and cannot detect M/Cs

Nice to hear from you.

(Sorry Julesm, if I was a little harsh on you but I was having one of my 'Bad' days, and when you consider the fact that I only have 'BAD days, and WORSE days' !! consider yourself lucky )

See y'all.

That seems rather harsh, given that the ACPO guidelines suggest 50 mph as the threshold level for a court summons in a 30 mph limit.

Also remember that there are some really ridiculous 30s about, such as this one on the A34 near Stockport. 44 in such a location may be 14 mph over the limit, but it's not a dangerous speed. I would say the average speed here is over 44.

The location where he was caught sounds as though it falls into this category.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

ACPO *GUIDELINES*

These are *blatantly* p!$$taken by the Notts Prats

Eg. ONE 'Fatal' occurs, (Alcohol related, though 'excessive' speed for the location (tight right hand bend) 'may' have been 'contributary factor' ?) 'SIX PAIRS' of Scams are (almost) immediately 'slung up' covering the next 3/4 mile stretch of the road, (steep up/downhill like a rollercoaster) most are 'obscured', definately NOT 'Visible from 60mtrs' (ACPO *GUIDELINES* )

And, since the scams became 'operational' there has been a further 'Fatal' ALMOST DIRECTLY BELOW THE SCAMS LENS.......NOT 'Speed Related' either

GUIDELINES "STUFF 'EM", seems to be the attitude of our scamshippers