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This little snippet in today's Express Paper - courtesy of the great Sir Jimmy Young!

The gov is planning to tag us all! To do this they first set up national database - giving each and every detail of each child under age 18! Each will have to have an ID number so that the gov can access all records regarding medical history, school achievements ( ), doctor's name, home address, social service, police and hospital records, plus all family details - even those family Black Sheep! And problem relatives ... Um ---- they are all problems - blinkin' petrolheads and golfing nerds!

The government committee headed by Margaret Hodge has decided that all children should be included. The authorities will have access to this information and public will not. Parents will have to apply to see what is held on their children under Data Protection Act. They argue this will help me as BiB identify and protect those children at risk - but even Children's Charities think this is one step way too far!

Liberty said: "You start with all children under 18 now. In 20 years' time - you have half the population on these files."

Sir Jimmy Young acknowledges that people, like our mate basingwerk, subscribe to view that if you have nothing to hide - you have nothing to fear, but he comes to same conclusion as I do (as indeed others in my family do!) --that this may hold true o long as we keep a benign government. But governments change! What if we get an extreme faction ruiling us -- it could happen!

Would you wish all your personal details to be on a government database then?

Fear this has nothing to do with safety at all - but CONTROL!

And remember - we went to war against the Nazis to fight against such extreme control, we had a Cold War for years - citing intrusion of civil liberties as one of the negative policies which threaten a free and fair-minded society, and they have tried to condone the recent war in Irag by stressing the Saddam's dictatorial and tyrannical qualities to throw off the WMD argument.

Contrast that story with this one which appeared in the same newspaper!

WARNING ON ID CARDS!"


Terrorists can dodge the ID system warns a security expert. A 10% failure in matching IDs to cards is predicted. says Simon Davies of watchdog "Privacy"

With open borders anyone can steal or forge an ID card from another country which cannot be checked by officials in this country. ( This is true - Has always occurred - their press has always contained such stories Foreign members of this family have always commented on this for as long as I can remember!

"Terrorists will travel on tourist visas as well and will not be caught out by cards "- says Mr Davies.

The Gov thinks they will be infallible - but Mr Davies says it is not fail safe if all you have to do is carry a fake EU identity card and speak with funny accent (OI! Funny accent! He's describing half this family here! )

The Commons Home Affairs Select Committee (per articles in press) condemned plan for biometric cards - containing information such as fingerprints and iris scans as "improperly costed, poorly thought out and too secretive!"

Mr Davies - who gave evidence to this committee - said "There are too many ways that this system can be by-passed. It cannot be made water tight and will not catch the very folk it is meant to catch!

"There is a one in ten chance of failure to match an ID. It relies on technology working (NOTE basingwerk ), and people being trained to actually use it and for the communications systems to be actually working! ( note - basingwerk

"If it only works 90% of time - it is non-starter!"

It gets better!

Mr Davies says:

"Such systems are vulnerable to criminals (Yup )and terrorists who will steal real identities and fake them as well as official corruption

"Many terrorists enter on tourist visas so ID cards will not stop them. They will not be required to present ID and with open EU borders (and they do not even check in Switzerland) - all you need is fake EU card and authorities will have no way of checking French, German, Italian ID cards either.

Liberal MP Lembit Opik said:

"To sidestep any ID legislation - you pretend you are not British and the law abiders will spend (aha!) their money to prove they are who they say they are. If mr Blunkitt thinks this will stop terrorists and criminals - he must think world ends at Dover!"

George Orwell was right then, wasn't he. This country is becoming more like the old Soviet Union day by day, all in the name of national security and in the best interests of the child(ren).

I remember picking this one up some time back.

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."
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I read recently that they are planning to pass legislation to exclude the Children and ID card databases from the data protection act. Meaning you will have no access to what is held and no way to correct it if it is wrong.

Now why would they want to do that?

WELCOME TO THE GESTAPO SOCIETY!

Andrew

One would hope that people wouldn't allow this to happen, to the point of overthrowing a government that tried to force it upon us. But the propaganda machine will probably be in action for sufficient time in advance that we'll all accept it as either invetiable, or a 'good thing.' The only slight consolation on a personal level is that I'm now >18. But I don't like the idea of what it means for my younger brother, or my own children, at a later date.

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-mike[F]
Caught in the rush of the crowd, lost in a wall of sound..

Its gonna happen.
We will all eventually be tagged, and with exception to a minority, the public WILL take it lying down, just like the drip drip effect of speed enforcement.

The Govt rarely do anything at a time that it would not be accepted, so theyll just wait for the right climate and introduce it for our own benefit.

Personally I thinks the current terror situation along with the much vaunted freedom of movement we pretend is a good thing, will be the driving force.