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Big article in the Daily Express, Front Page, one hole page 5. had to scan it in bits Sorry.

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I suspect this league table of offenders reflect zero tollerance speed limit enforcement by their counterparts in the scamerati.

they've gone completely mad haven't they?



completely, stark raving mad:

Once again life is made easy for the hardworking criminal.

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Definitely

No problem whatsoever with police flooring it in response.

Big problem if there are no sirens or lights to warn me they are approaching me! Can appreciate they need a bit of stealth on approach to crime scene - but on the way they have to make other road users aware of them all the same.

But I'll agree with the RAC's Kevin Delaney that not all police cars triggering a scam are ona shout. Indeed - they are part of the scammed just over victims of senseless pings!

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Apart from Essex- EVERY SINGLE ONE of their speeding cops was deemed to be responding to an emergency. Yeah, right.
The prevalent attitude amongst Chief Constables seems to be " if a cop was speeding, he was responding to an emergency, so no action necessary". I have mentioned elsewhere the support services van, unmarked apart from the word "POLICE" on the side, delivering paperwork round the stations and clocked at 50 in a 30- the driver was given "a good talking to"- but NO prosecution, NO fine, and NO points.
Hypocrites, and thus far untouchable.

Essex would appear to be hotbed of crime und must surely come top of pops in "respond to 999 call" statistics.

I bet this would not be available on FOI

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Just been emailed this link about police speeding in Northern Ireland. My bold:

Okay, so maybe they don't have many speeding incidents per officer in relation to other forces, but again, are we seriously expected to believe that every single case of police speeding was justifiable? I know they have lights and sirens on the vehicles, but I reckon they must have bells on as well now.

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As has often been pointed out on here before, the Road Traffic Acts provide a general exemption from speed limits for police officers when on duty, provided that exceeding the limit was necessary for the performance of their duties. No mention of emergency response or blues and twos.

It's something that nobody was very bothered about until the introduction of speed cameras - no trafpol is going to book a marked car, is he?

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I forget if I posted here somethingI saw a month or so ago in Chelmsford. I was waiting at one set of many traffic lights in the one way system. The flowing traffic was brought to a halt by a red light. a policeman happened to be at the front of the queue and braked late and hard, stoppng about half a car length over the line. Maybe poor concentration.. who knows. I then witnessed what I thought was bizarre. On came the roof lights, over he went to join the rest of the traffic - and off went the roof lights. hmmmph - emergency jump of the lights as the camera flashed - scams will see the roof lights and not send out a ticket.

That's what I mean by the speeding being justifiable. I find it hard to believe that it is that often. I feel it's more believable that the exemptions in the RTA are being abused to let police officers walk away from victimless offences of a purely technical nature other than a handful or poor sods who work for an overzealous boss or nuggets who were genuinely taking the piss. Back door discretionary enforcement in other words. The question is why the same isn't applied to ordinary motorists. If it's unsafe to speed then the police as enforcers of speed limits should be scrutinised when they break them, and the numbers suggest they aren't. On the other hand, if, as I suspect, they're largely being let off when they're caught speeding in safe situations (maybe a little In Gear style lecture from a sergeant or inspector) then there's no rational reason not to extend the same discretion to the rest of us.

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But we are in radio contact - and we do know if colleague is in a shout!

For record - old guv was hot on discipline - and our new one's no different. If we break rules when out and about - we get acid lectures!

And no - I do believe that a police officer should set an example and not flout the rules. If we want respect - we have to earn it and I would say that you should report us if you see any of us "misbehaving".

OK - I admit - you may not receive report of your complaint but it is taken seriously and we do look into it. If you do not tell us - we are not going to know and be able to nip in bud so to speak.

As for police trigging scams whilst on shouts - I hear lot of paperwork ties my colleagues in these areas into knots and this is time we should be spending answering 999 calls and dealing with real crimes and so on!

Are they genuine shouts? My "loyalty card" would like to believe - but my reality check tells me that police are no different to any other human being and can blip over. Unfortunately, some try to hide behjind uniform to get out of endorsements as it is a matter of pride to have a clean licence when all is said and done and it does rather highlight the wrongs of policing solely by camera print out - real people use discretion and willgive a hearing.

As for argument of "freeing police time" - we solve more crimes on routine patrols and we have sufficient time and resources to cope with our demanding public. Deploly correctly and a lean, mean police force will cope and have its public behind it. Nit pick and we have headlines which depict us as "bullies who squirm when faced with dollop of own medicine"

But then - am plain speak and fortunately - between you me and internet - I think we are in majority

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Roger: "I forget if I posted here somethingI saw a month or so ago in Chelmsford. I was waiting at one set of many traffic lights in the one way system. The flowing traffic was brought to a halt by a red light. a policeman happened to be at the front of the queue and braked late and hard, stoppng about half a car length over the line. Maybe poor concentration.. who knows. I then witnessed what I thought was bizarre. On came the roof lights, over he went to join the rest of the traffic - and off went the roof lights. hmmmph - emergency jump of the lights as the camera flashed - scams will see the roof lights and not send out a ticket."

Roger I live in Chelmsford and unfortunatly see this all to often, but then again there are a lot of ex plod in ECP so it appears to be running pass friend, or am I being very cynical ???

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