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Hi, we have met before, in another place.

You'll find only a tiny minority here who would suggest the cyclists in this case were anything other than completely innocent victims. Even if the road had been completely snowed over that would be no different.

In answer to your question. Yes, cyclists do get killed by other road users.

However some (not in this case I hasten to add) do have only themselves to blame.

Umm, hindsight is a wonderful thing. If the police had closed the road because of a tricky patch of black ice we might be condemning them for over-reaction.

My personal view is that you were a little hasty to condemn here.

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Has anyone watched the video of the scene - wanted to see the "gentle bend" mentioned - now given the history of this bit of the road - if the slight s bend is the problem area - with a bad camber - instead of throwing money at the SCP - why do they not straighten it out "in the name of road safety" ---FFS.
DOH forgot that costs money.

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Please don't be so surprised. Most cycle 'footpaths' are not very good at all. They are generally littered with all sorts of rubbish, dog muck, etc. Very often they require the rider to dismount/giveway/stop etc.

Roads are the proper place for most cyclists to be. It only needs the other road users to pay attention, slow down at the right time*, and give enough room so their vehicle wouldn't get dented or scratched if the cyclist fell. It's really easy - I do it myself.

[*Note. I'm not saying slow down all of the time.]

your wish is my command

exactly. there's one near here where they've just painted a green patch on the footpath so if you're stupid enough to use it you're dodging poles, driveways and pedestrians and having to stop at every crossroads.

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Already seen it(ON VIDEO) - as i said - did this happen coz money WASN'T SPENT

If so as Paul said "I'M ANGRY"

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so how else do you suggest 10+ cyclists should ride down a road without causing massive delays?
I can just hear the outcries if our club-run of 40 cyclists start riding along single file with 2 second gaps.

as for this

I seriously suggest you rethink your hatred of cyclists (are you a masochist?) before you next go driving. What a complete load of rubbish. What if it had been a mini-bus that was wiped out. Would you be arguing for them to be taken off the road?

so how else do you suggest 10+ cyclists should ride down a road without causing massive delays?
I can just hear the outcries if our club-run of 40 cyclists start riding along single file with 2 second gaps.

as for this
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OK - not 10+cyclists , but a farmer moving 10 cows from field to field - what do you do then

or if it was 40 cows ---??????

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Without wishing to appear "anti-cyclist" I'd prefer they spread out single file at two second gaps. At least following traffic would then be able to safely pick off each one and overtake, instead of being stuck behind the whole caboodle.

From what I've seen of the strategy employed in cycle road racing (which I find fascinating by the way) I would respectfully suggest that clubs on training runs ride in a pack as practice for the way they ride in team time trials, rather than out of consideration for other road users.

[Dons flak-jacket - runs for cover, cowering]

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no? How dare you suggest that these cyclists deserve what they got for daring to ride in a perfectly legal fashion. It could just have easily been four people in a car, 4 people on 2 motorbikes, whatever. THEY WERE NOT AT FAULT. THEY DID NOT LOSE CONTROL OF THEIR VEHICLES. Right now I suggest that you retract your comments as they are in seriously bad taste.
Once you've done that you may want to spend the time to learn how a bunch works.

no, they ride in packs as it's the most efficient way of riding. That it helps out motorists is a welcome side effect. Well behaved groups will go single file in places where it's hard to overtake otherwise.

i hoped it would not get to the stage where the cyclists got the blame, but alas

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how about right here:



and it seems I'm not the only one to take offence.

Johnsher, I'm afraid that (aside from the unwarranted insulting language) he does actually have a point.

If a convoy of cars were to drive along the road at quarter-second spacing I'm sure you'd condemn it as unwise, let alone if they were doing so at a competitive speed.

Similarly, if I were riding my bike and another cyclist independently decided to sit on my back wheel I'd be pretty narked about it, especially if I came across an unexpected incident and he went straight into the back of me.

I'm aware that for tactical and strategic reasons that's the way it's done in cycle racing, but nevertheless from a road safety perspective it has to be said that it would surely be safer if they obeyed the "two second" rule.

So in that sense I feel there is at least a degree of culpability to the cyclists in this instance. In choosing to ride "as a pack" they all but remove the possibility of any evasive action being taken by any of the riders in the event of something unexpected happening.

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can we please wait till the official response is recieved - but on water - sail before steam prevailes

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