handy wrote:
Safespeed: We don't need no stinking cameras, we need better education so driver standards improve.
Govt: Here's some improved driver education for a large sector of the driving public.
Safespeed: yeah but no but yeah but no but I meant a different kind of education and anyway you can't say anything cos that Alistair Darling has got points on his license and he was a roadrager.
Of course I am paraphrasing here.
[still laughing]
I do believe that Sarah Kennedy on her dawn patrol came up with the term "White Van Man" in an early morning rant over being cut iup by a number of these - al were dirty white vans as well - apparently
I gather all who drive vans for a living are eligble to sign up for the free courses. I would extend to all drivers of any car personally - but what the heck - we can stop them - offer a DIS course at
their cost for our time helping them....
I will agree that the reporting and media hype on this leaves lot to be desired - but the intention is sound. As for cutting costs - ... yes ....of course.
If you drive any vehicle with pride in your drive and respect for your wheels - you are going to incure less wear and tear
and this apllies to bicycles as well as "furious pedalling" does wear out saddle, gears, brakes, headsets fairly qquickly 
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Not read the whole thread through yet - by the way.
But basically -
anything like this offered for free - snatch their hands off! Just remember how much you paid for each driving lesson
If it helps road safety - then it proves exactly what we are saying - better road sense and awareness and C O A S T training work a hell of a lot better than a camera sited in a place which only serves to undermine road safety as opposed to enhance it.
By the way - we do have a camera van and our ladss and lasses do use modern equipment - but our strategy is based on "intelligent pollicing and not fleecing!"
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It would appear to work - as despite the unavoidables - we are still on targets here .
In fairness to Darling - he has test driven a van on this PR course and is honest enough to admit it does not make him an expert as he had never driven a van before that moment - but he recekoned he learned a littlem more understanding from his little "adventure" and this can be heard both on the Vine Prog and "youi and Yours" on R4.
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point. 
So Alastair Darling claims he's been driven mad by VVM?
