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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 18:19 
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Is this serious?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... xhome.html

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Pupils have been stopped from putting their hands up to answer questions because their school believes it leads to feelings of victimisation.

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surely better to never ask the pupils questions...........that way no one can feel left out...... :D


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It's a well established idea that someone has got hold of and made into "news" by making out that it is for some "political correctness gone mad" reason.

If pupils put their hands up then you never ask the quiet ones and it allows some to nod off. Also, some children shoot their hands up without an answer, or they take longer to think of a reply than others so they get left out. Stands to reason. So hands down, and pick someone when everyone has had chance to think of an answer. Better answers, children don't feel left out (which they do because they get the idea that if they're not the quickest then they're not good enough).


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It's a well established idea that someone has got hold of and made into "news" by making out that it is for some "political correctness gone mad" reason.

If pupils put their hands up then you never ask the quiet ones and it allows some to nod off. Also, some children shoot their hands up without an answer, or they take longer to think of a reply than others so they get left out. Stands to reason. So hands down, and pick someone when everyone has had chance to think of an answer. Better answers, children don't feel left out (which they do because they get the idea that if they're not the quickest then they're not good enough).



Some children know the answer and do not put hands up because they do not want to speak in public - but are satisfied and happy that they understand what is going on.

The doodling child or one who appears to be "day dreaming" is actually yuour quintessential kinesthetic learner and they know exactly what is going on in class anyway.

I know that Jessika, Jan, Jenny and the other teachers in the family when they talk most animatedlyand interestingly about their jobs - and the enthusiasm and love of their work is reflected in everything they do - even when socialising and holidaying. Lost count of the numbers of "can use that in a lesson" over the years :lol:

Gather there are a lot of methods in which they teach the whole class and then use a range of grouped and interactive activities designed at "reaching each child in their class".

When Wildy engaged in a "bash teachers routine" during a family get together some time back - these girls were hot on defence and gave her a run for her money :lol: :lol: :twisted: For once - Wildy had no smart cat retort :rotfl:


Basically we got a routine lesson plan out of them - which went something like this:

1. Ritual - children like a routine of sorts so their classes arrive and are allowed five minutes to remove coats and get out their books and work through a set of simple warm up tasks - following previous lesson waiting on OHP/interactive whiteboard whilst register is taken - to the soudn of Mozart or Chopin ...

2. Clear lesson aims'end outcome They are then presented with the aim of the new lesson - "teacher centred with random computerised pick of pupils" - and to get over the hands problem - these girls use some kind of "press button gadget" which works witht he white board - and all pupils press a button to choose correct answers and cast a vote - and it seems they have a range of activities using this ploy which go from basic to developing thought (*so they claim - but I'm not in their classes :wink: )

3. I gather they blend old methods with new methods in most of their lesson plans to achieve lesson aims - and these girls teach Maths, Sciend and Modern Languages - (Jessika is Maths/Modern Languages -( because she's Swiss :wink: )) - and each lesson ends with a kind of sum up as these teaching girls in our family reckon we remember the first and last five minutes of each lesson burst - and that this also applies to professional and driving lessons as well :wink:

So - ways and means around this - but basically just because a child does not put his or her hand up in class does not mean "child feels failure". I used not to put my hand to answer even if I knew the answers because I just could not be bothered. :wink:

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It's not just about knowing the answer. The raised hand is used in life to attract attention. You could raise your hand to ask a question or for permission to leave the room.

As adults we don't wave our arms about in the air like we did as kids but we still attract the attention of the Auctioneer, the boss around the boardroom table, the discussion group, the jounalist at a press conference, etc.

We use our hands all the time I don't see why we shouldn't learn that in school as young children.

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It's not just about knowing the answer. The raised hand is used in life to attract attention. You could raise your hand to ask a question or for permission to leave the room.


True - and you still raise a hand to attract atttention. It's called classroom or board room manners or meeting/classrooom management. You cannot have people shouting out answers in a free for all - and if you went around the class forcing each individual to give an answer - the teacher would not only lose valuable teaching time - but cause further angst to the child dreading his/her turn to answer.

We foster kids as well as producing our own :lol: We adopted two of our long term fosters as well.

These kids are generally quiet and attentive in class but do not like to volunteer an answer - but do join in all activities very well.

Of our own kids? Eldest would answer when he wanted to... and put up hand to do so, Nick just shouts out the answer from the back of the class, gets ticked off for not raising his hand first and he apparently smiles and gives an ":oops: :oops: ", then sasses the teacher and seems to take some odd pleasure in teaching his German teacher a lot of dodgy words! :shock: His twin sister? She just doodles her way through each lesson and answers if spoken to - and occasionally clobbers her brother... :shock: in class....

Lukas is a cross between his two elder brothers and we do not yet know what the youngest will be like yet... but we suspect "teacher will have hands full with this young lady" :lol: :lol: :shock: :twisted: :roll:

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As adults we don't wave our arms about in the air like we did as kids but we still attract the attention of the Auctioneer, the boss around the boardroom table, the discussion group, the jounalist at a press conference, etc.

We use our hands all the time I don't see why we shouldn't learn that in school as young children.


Agree - it's where we learn how to interact politely, socially and professionally.

If you stunt this - then you stunt discussion and debate manners in adult life. :roll:

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This is basic teaching practice - for decades student teachers have been told to use QPN (question, pause, nominate) as the basic Q&A method in whole class teaching.

Someone's just making a fuss for the sake of it.


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It's the usual old tripe of the Papps taking a perfectly valid practice and examining it from a completely inappropriate angle. Newspapers do not convey facts, they make profits...

Now hands up who agrees with that statement and why...? :hello:

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freddieflintoff2005 wrote:
If pupils put their hands up then you never ask the quiet ones and it allows some to nod off. Also, some children shoot their hands up without an answer, or they take longer to think of a reply than others so they get left out. Stands to reason. So hands down, and pick someone when everyone has had chance to think of an answer. Better answers, children don't feel left out (which they do because they get the idea that if they're not the quickest then they're not good enough).


Isn't that more a reflection on how stupid the teachers are?

Probably why our cub pack had a waiting list and the school had a truancy problem. We understood kids.


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:hello: ME SIR....I KNOW, SIR!


Well done, CJ. Now let's look round for someone without their hand up...

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The problem probably comes from teachers not knowing their class well enough to know who puts their hand up without knowing the answer and who does.

If you put your hand up you are asking for a peer review. :)

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