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The topic made it to Look North last night who took their usual baby eating speeders line.

The bloke they got hold of who was part of the scheme did them no favours and came across as a complete prat. The ABD spokesman, (despite being given about a tenth of the time allocated to the opposition) got his point across very well I thought.

Then they had the usual cherry picked "man in the street" interviews, supiciously in favour of the scheme.

The first place to start is by pointing out that everyone agrees that parking in a dangerous or antisocial place is wrong. Yet parking/stopping is just a particular case of slowing down.

I think this explains my experiences at 5mph. Driving at 5mph is not very different from stopping completely.

we have pace cars most days, they tend to be imprezza drivers or mud covered 4 wheel drives or taxis who think it is great to slow all the traffic down to about 10mph

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C.O. - could you explain your last post. I don't understand it.

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Malcolm W.
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imagine being at a site traffic flowing around the limit,

i got one area i go where this impreza driver slows right down, hazards on lights flashing and horn beeping as soon as he comes into view thus creating a slow moving convoy, a few taxis do the same as well no doubt he thinks he is being clever,

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Well thats safe driving for you - they've all spotted a "safety hazard" - you , have slowed down for it and are making sure that everyone else knows about it, and doing a better job of making the area safe.

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I must say I too have found myself putting on my hazard warning lights to alert other road users of a van-shaped hazard. (on an un-restricted dual-darageway)
The slowing down is to limit the possible effects of "slip".

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Andrew.

Was looking for something else on the net and this came up - Doncaster are not the only ones promoting this lunacy --bristol are getting their school kids to advertise it too --with some very wierd ideas and claims about it -
From pages on the Bristol site ,looks like another idea imported from the States with out any thought.

Just one -

"You slow people behind you and set an example for those drivers behind you. You are not impeding traffic if you are driving within the speed limit!"

Main site --http://www.luckwell.bristol.sch.uk/projects/STP7paceSville.html

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

So if whoever this person is that's going to slow the traffic is doing 20 in a 30 limit, they're not impeding traffic?

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Another gem from this site - http://www.luckwell.bristol.sch.uk/year ... sport.html

One litre of fuel can carry a person 4 miles in a large car,
31 miles in a bus with 40 passengers

Now must be some size of car engine ---approx 4.54l in a gallon - thats approx 18mpg - ok possible if RR or similar.

Now the bus - approx 140mpg - should think Stagecoach might be interested in that.

Would have thought the school would be better teaching children some facts .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I remember I had to "show consideration for other road users" during my driving test. What the Doncaster dumbos have come up with lacks courtesy. In fact it's utterly stupid. More to the point, just how skilled and qualified will these pace car drivers be?

I think what we have here is the modern-day equivalent of the man walking out in front with a red flag.

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Looking at the Bristol site made me think it was from the states as Alberto was mentioned -but another site on the same subject is Australian.

The Atlanta site -- http://www.peds.org/prog_pace.htm

The Australian site -http://www.lesstraffic.com/Articles/Traffic/SpiritPC.htm


Which came first - immaterial --the real question is when are the authorities going to put the lunatics back inside and employ road safety experts and trafpols to do the job professionally??

The slightly ulterior motive behind this scheme ---"Most people can reduce their car use significantly (usually by 20%-50%) by organizing their travel more efficiently. (See Traffic Reduction.) The rewards are a saving in time and money. One of the commitments of the Pace Car Pledge is to reduce car use to a minimum."


There are other questionable statements in the "less traffic" blurb, like how this will "It will also free up valuable road and car-parking spaces"

Then we get the bit about kids -

However, the benefits go much deeper. For example, under current conditions, many parents will not allow their children to walk to school because they perceive it to be too dangerous."
HMM - according to some news reports ,there are persons in schools that make them unsafe too

Last bit sounds good -
The Pace Car program is built on humor and celebration. As much as possible, it tries to avoid meetings and committees.


Possibly they know that a sensible committee would ridicule this idea all the way .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Maybe they think they're 'doing their bit' for safety. It's what they have been told, after all.

So, C.O. are you pleased that you have succeeded in slowing down the traffic (not in the way you may have first thought) or disappointed that you have been prevented from getting a few overspeed hits? I thought that you were all about slowing down the speeders.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

The speeders are not important - earning our keep is.

What do points make - £60 a kick ,and job security.

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

As far as I can see, it's just an appeal to ask people to obey the law, much like I've been doing here for ages! Would the cars be marked in this Doncaster story?

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Ask? Looks like a scheme to force people to obey the law.

Untrained drivers operating rolling roadblocks.



Just a sticker.

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Paul Smith
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Gasp ... a scheme to make people obey the law! What on earth will they resort to next?

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Have you read A Clockwork Orange?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

What is the point in a law?

what is its purpose?