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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 13:07 
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i am in favour of utilising VAS as a speed reminder, but a VAS is no deterrant to slow down, take the information boards on the motorway for instance they flas 50mph or whatever and no one takes a blind bit of notice of them
Perhaps that's because (where I live) they are on when there is absolutely no need for them to be on! The amount of times I've travelled up the M6 (Jct 3 to Jct 7) and the gantry lights say "50" or "30" or "Congestion" when there is no congestion or other reason to slow down. Admittedly, this is usually at night, so I suppose they could have been turned on during the day but the person responsible for them has gone home and forgotten to switch them off? Personally, when I see them, I generally do disregard them for this very reason... (crying wolf and all that)

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But the average punter here does want the right to drive faster than the legal limit whenever he feels like it. That is "pro-speed" unless we split hairs about it.
As with many (all?) of your postings, you are wrong yet again. Assuming I am one of the "average punters" here, I want the right to have sensible, safe and courteous drivers on the road around me.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 15:51 
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BottyBurp wrote:
I want the right to have sensible, safe and courteous drivers on the road around me.

That sums it up for me in one BB :clap:

BW is the sort of individual who is more likely to be the cause of an accident rather than the person who blips 10mph over any posted limit.
IIRC, it was BW himself who stated not all that long ago that it was ok to steal from your employer, but not ok to transgress a speed limit :loco:

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He even admits to stealing his sig.

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Basingwerk wrote: "<... EVASIVE BS FROM SAFETY ENGINEER OMIITED TO HELP PREVENT UNDUE BOREDOM ... >..."

"...Well, it's like getting blood out of a stone, but you appear to be saying that you want to be able to speed when you feel like it, because "a large chunk" is not commitment.

You are a average punter around here after all. So, what exactly was your first denial about, and why have you reversed your position so swiftly?"

BW I never said I wasn't an average punter SE: "I would consider myself an average punter but am concerned about how cameras are not providing the benefits they were suppossed to."

Likewise You made a bold statement, I asked you to prove it. You then asked me to provide the proof to your argument. In short unless you can back it up don't sling mud, don't bounce it back to me because you cannot.

SE: "I have professional experience of speed limits being altered downwards not for safety reasons but financial and to promote official policy, this is fundemtaly wrong as it devalues the safety aspects of limits. " You consider this boring and evasive, hang on, you seem to be arguing for limits on a safety basis, if they are then being altered for non safety reasons, how can they be valid ???

BW: "There are lots of variables, and that is why the absolute top limit is 70, not 15 or 35 or 50 or 60. We don’t know about all those variables and stuff, so there is an absolute top limit and that’s how it is." What like trying to reduce the limit because the LA is required to put acoustic fencing/berms in and does not want to pay out for it so reduces the limit to bring road noise in below the level that they have to do anything??


And of course the great cornerstone of any BW Argument, personal insults:


"Sadly, I can only conclude that jamie_duff really is an Official CougarFest Mechanic, and deserves our full sympathy for the duration of his illness. In the meantime, I'd be grateful if he kept his speed addiction on the track." What illness ?? As far as I'm aware Couger Fest is held off road, Jaime please correct me if I'm wrong.


"At least you have a coherent position. Let's try that one on SafeSpeed as well" I would call Paul's position very coherent.


"Basically, we want less of this speeding malarkey in our towns, villages and bendy A-roads. If that means a few Clarkson-Clones get pissed off, it’s well worth it." Really I would rather have less dangerous roads and more safer ones.


"Don’t give me that old horseshit – you have decided your case first, then invented your evidence to suit it. It’s arse backwards, and you damn well know it.

I'm helping you sort out your anger management issues here. Perhaps speed cameras are just a proxy for other real problems? Maybe you and SafeSpeed have invented this “struggle” to give meaning to your lives?"
What anger management issues, Pete317 doesn't seem a particularly angry person to me, though when provoked with enough vitreol most peole will bite back.


"You got that right - I've got a heavy cold at the momment, and I'm taking it out on the wrong people. " Big of you to say that.


You even advocate potentially dangerous behaviour that the IAM, RoADA, and traffic police consider to be a no-no:

"Tailgaters get a straight 5 mph penalty from me, and another one if they get closer still – it’s a sort of “Tough-Love” situation."


Paul I second Smeggy's post !!

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basingwerk wrote:
EM wrote:
Basingwerk in a Judge Dredd moment wrote:
Basically, we want less of this speeding malarkey in our towns, villages and bendy A-roads.


So is that it then? Just slow down and everything will be OK? What about this then? <PHOTO OF POTENTIAL SPEEDER BEHIND> Is it OK to drive past the speed cameras tailgating the car in front in a 4x4 at 35+ while on the phone?


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I would of course been able to drive a little faster and leave the 4x4 behind - but that would have put me over the limit! Which one of us would present the greater danger?[ /quote]

That scum bag, tailgating yobbo was worse, who would have been speeding too had you not managed to hold the stinking pig back.



Suspect Ern's tailgater - was too engrossed in the conversation to realise.

Unfortunately - people get away with the mobile phone abuse in some areas because they know they can - basically :roll: They try it here .. people told us about it.. We get less telling us about it now.. cos w went out and pulled more :wink: :wink:



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Well done, EM! My Mojo is “Never Speed Up” – that is exactly what these ugly road slobs want you to do. They just can’t stand to see someone driving calmly and relaxed. I give them 5 mph penalty automatically, and then another one too to teach them a lesson.


Basingmate.. sigh..

We have been through this one before... :roll:

You do NOT teach lessons to others on the road .. tis another form of "road rage" :wink:

By all means - ease off and create a space for village idiot to move into ... assist his overtake as better to have him in front where you can keep your distance than have him being a pest behind. :x

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Government approval (in the form of licencing of product) was given to THALIDOMIDE, and it is STILL used, but failure to recognise the problem left hundreds subjected to terrible defects.


I don’t know much about that. Thalidomide has chirality, which might affect the way it works. In any case, thalidomide is a good treatment for leprosy. You can give it to ¾ of the population (young girls, blokes and older ladies) because they don’t get pregnant!



But at the time - this was hailed as a wonder drug as it cured persistent nausea in pregnancy. As I understand from al the press stuff - and many of these victims - my age group. :(

My own mother was prescribed this drug .. luckily she did not even get to the chemist as her grandfather suffered a stroke and she just forgot about it... She was persistently sick - especially when expecting my sister.... :roll: Apparently - she threw up even after sucking a siucky sweet! Yet - bless her - carried us all to term stoically - and despite her sickenss - apparently her body absorbed the goodness in the food before she was sick - we were all :bounce1: "bouncingly healthy"

( errm - I am sure some may think :alien: : hehe:)

and been blessed that way to date - touch wood! :wink: She says her doctor at the time was reluctant to prescribe as "the drug was new and he did not know enough about it - only the reports per the journals"

Asked Wildy about it .... she says that in the past - licencing was a less stringent than now.

But in any case - the analogy does seem to serve as a warning that we cannot make rash judgements based on short tests and a few stats....and build a whole far ranging policy around this. :wink:

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