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I'm getting sick to death of hearing this lame phrase used by lazy b'stards who chose to park blocking pavements, on double yellows, on zig-zgs, etc. Just how thick do you have to be not to realise that you can park anywhere so long as it's legal to do so? It's so bloody simple - roads are for cars and pavement are for pedestrians. Pavements are not car parks, and disabled spaces are for those with disabled bodies - not lazy drivers with disabled minds. And when questioned they trip out that sh1tty line, "..but where am I supposed to park?". If you can't work it out get off the roads altogether - numbskulls.

Wow.....Try cutting down down on the caffeine....




Try telling that to Brake. They think roads are for kids to play on.

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True, but it would help if they didn't put down yellow lines just to raise revenue. Look near any council car park: single yellows, 8am-6pm. It can't be for safety reasons, or the restriction wouldn't be in force only when the car park charges.

Some illegal parking is truly unforgiveable, but increasingly parking which *used* to be quite legal has now been made illegal thanks to the spread of double yellows, resident parking schemes, etc. Bit like the spread of lowered speed limits come to think of it... So whilst I can't condone the idiots who park over crossings, block the road completely and anything else which is dangerous or causes serious traffic problems, some blame has to be placed with local authorities who've withdrawn parking facilities and more or less forced people to choose between parking illegally, parking a considerable distance away, or paying obscene prices at a meter/car park.

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Liebchen.. I had a set to with a Bib once.... I posted on PH at time..

He park in disabled bay.. he buy doughnuts. I politely point out the bay reserved for disabled.. he ist rude.

Later same .. same supermarket carpark... he ist in the disabled bay.. manager tick off.. he see me . .. then heavily pregnant und waddling ..

But for Lukas .. then aged 6 years..who was quick thinking .. I feel a little sick to think of the "what if" still...

He shoved a trolley in my direction in a sort of rage.. we report - he did get told off..

But no .. do not park where not supposed to..

However- ist story which appear in Durham local press per lieber IG (you know - he's my cousin.. und I am aware my big sister might have upset you..perhaps? She ist too blunt - a realist.. too realistic maybe ... family are aware .. but you know .. we are all unique

But I think I should bring to your attention..

Ist story which appear ion both Durham und Bolton local press.

Guy from Co Durham vist his Mama who live in Bolton. She ist disabled . he has no sticker. He park up in car park .. he choose to park over a white line to allow his Mama space to get out of car. He recieve parking fine for the car being straddled over two bays/.

You may think "Fine... twazak deserve..."

Only ..




no one could park in the bay he fined for because hugest concretepost in way..

Fine ist cancelled on appeal.. ]

But

[i[ Common sense dictate should never have been issued in forst place [/i]

As for pavement parking.. some towns have wide pavemen which allow residents to park this way..

If road ist narrow .. may be a justification in off side wheels being on kerb...if pavement ist wider..

But .. personally? Am picky where I park up .. und I do not endanger nor inconvenience another.. [/i]

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There are quite a lot of places where I live where people have taken your "do not park on the pavement" to heart. They now drive straight over the pavement and park on the communal grass forecourts outside blocks of flats.

Is this better or worse than obstructing the pavement?

The problem is, as hinted at above, the government is allowing the building of flats with 0.5 parking spaces per dwelling and councils are deliberately restricting parking spaces.

I always park in my drive or garage. However, my neighbours park "two wheels on the pavement" outside MY house. Perhaps I should start parking properly on the road to stop them.

Actually, the most annoying thing is people parking trade vans on housing estates ...

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Except in London parking on the pavement is not specifically illegal except where it causes an obstruction.

There are plenty of situations where it can be regarded as reasonable, or at least the lesser of two evils.

For example, the A34 Kingsway in Manchester is one of the main radial routes into the city. This is a two-lane dual carriageway, which also has pretty wide pavements (probably 12-14 feet). Along most of the road, there are no parking restrictions. Yet people, in general, park on the pavement, which still leaves plenty of room for pedestrians, while not partially blocking the road. This seems the best solution all round.

Arguably the council could convert half the pavement to marked parking bays, but given that they haven't, what currently happens is sensible.

And, given the way local authorities seem to be hell-bent on making parking as difficult and/or expensive as possible, "where am I supposed to park?" is all too often a perfectly reasonable question.

It sounds as though you have been eating too many lentils, Russell

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This kind of reminds me of the Nazi party recruiting children to report on the activity of their parents.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4864210.stm

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There often isn't an alternative.

If I didn't bring my van home, I wouldn't be able to do my job.

Parking on the pavement is a police matter, not parking wardens, unless there is a yellow line or other parking restriction in force.
The offence is OBSTRUCTION, and some councils with the cooperation of the local police are very strict on this.

Where pavements are very wide, there is sometimes a guide - if so many % of the "highway" is obstructed it triggers a response!
I personally try to avoid parking on the pavement - but in France, it is often local practice to park cars entirely on the pavement!!
I do occasionally put two wheels on the kerb if it is safe and prudent to do so.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

It's swings and roundabouts me thinks. There is an awful lot of selfish parking, be that on the side of the road or taking up 2 bays in a busy shopping centre car park.

However the situation is clearly exasperated by dodgy councils who's only motivation is to increase revenue or generally annoy motorists for some perceived environmental and social benefit.

To blame all dodgy parking on councils would be far too generous to a minority of either selfish or stupid drivers who block pavements for no good reason.

grrr.. obstruction.... often find their mirrors knocked if they're in my way when i'm running. i try and be reasonable, if i can get round without too much hassle i do. often end up wit bruised elbows tho

that & the 4x4 parked on zig-zags at school kicking out, with dumbass sat in it taking up half the pavement. pavement chocca with kids had to drop onto road and into middle of lane to pass..... wing mirror made quite a noise.. shame.

Quite a lot of us in that boat . Now i ask if it's the Mrs Buckets of this world that find it so offensive to be reminded of the common man's work transport.

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I used to be the same, if I couldn't take the van home I wouldn't have been able to my job as effectively. Used to drive all over the North West but was based in Manchester. If I was in Kendal at 3.30 in the afternoon it was hardly pointful driving all the way back to Manchester and then back home to Burnley in a car. Much more sensible to nip down the A65 straight home. I'm sure I'm not alone in that situation.

Of course some thought and consideration has to be given to others if a LWB Sprinter(say) home with them every night.

A little bit more on the trade vans.

- If you bring the van home, unless you have a drive, the van will have to park outside your house in the road. So where do you park your car? In front of someone else's place? Or do you park your van outside your neighbours.

- Picking up the point above, how big a van is it reasonable to bring home? Suppose I work for a removals company?

- Now regarding the "common man's work transport", the "common man" will probably be on a "lower" income. Suppose he can only afford a flat - which now have less than one parking space each. Should his choice of dwelling be affected by this parking requirement or is it really the business of his employer to provide a proper parking place for vans?

- Round where I live a guy parks a British Gas service van completely on (and obstructing) the pavement. There is literally 3 inches between the van and the garden (not his garden) hedge. Still, there's nothing he can do is there.

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Malcolm W.
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Whilst I agree that some thought needs to be given as to whether bringing a large van home is really subtible, it's not really fair to make sweeping statements about trade vehicles.

I would much rather someone took a van home then sat on the dole. It maybe their only line of work.

Is that really true?

If so thats really shocking!

Does this rule apply to all new builds? Even where space is not an issue or an undergroung carpark has been proposed?

It's not really a rule but it is really true.

The government want to promote higher density development so they changed the planning guidance given to local authorities (PPG documents). This allows developers to put in planning applications for sites with fewer parking spaces and more apartments. This suits the developers as they can generally make more money this way.

A local council can get an application of this sort and, with their local knowledge, realise that the parking provision is ridiculously low. However, where in the past they would have rejected the proposal they now have a problem. If they reject it on parking provision then the developer will appeal to the ODP or other government departments - and will win the appeal because the guidance has not been followed. The local council thus agree to the proposal.

Local democracy has been subverted.

In the words of the title of this thread, the occupiers of these apartments (a lot of which are rented by their owners) will say "Well, where am I supposed to park?" Perhaps outside John Prescott's house will do.

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Malcolm W.
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Just take a look at the shithole known as Feltham if you want an example of overcrowded housing, "rabbit hutch" like builds, and absolutely nowhere to park whatsoever if you don't believe it happens.

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Absolutely. My buddy has a building services business that is near a new development of inner-city flats. The local council would not give planning permission unless they reduced the number of allocated off-road parking spaces. Now he has the new residents parking on the road blocking access to his business....

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