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malcolmw

Post subject: Global Warming Mischief

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 13:22

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I was reading the paper which had reports of the dire predictions from the Government's Chief Scientist and warnings that we must cut emissions NOW. The paper also contained pages and pages of holiday adverts which promote "unnecessary" travel and its consequent emissions.

Should the Government (who are very fond of banning things) ban these irresponsible adverts? How about banning car adverts?

The paper also reported that "lads mags" were to be covered up by supermarkets to avoid offence. How long before car magazines go the same way?

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Gizmo

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 13:36

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I heard the same thing on the radio yesterday...

It makes me mad when I see advertising that says "help PREVENT global warming" WTF, so we can prevent it now can we....its a joke

The flip side is that scientists are saying climate change is happening. We should look to prepare for change rather than a futile attempt to try and prevent it. It is a dangerous diversion of resources to concentrate on "prevention".

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Pete317

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 15:31

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Hitler was right - it's the BIG lies that get believed.

Is it a coincidence that today, a day after this story broke, my wife told me she was down at Tesco's and the price of diesel has gone up to 99.9p a litre?
When the govt starts going on about global warming, watch your wallet.

On the plus side, if certain non-GW scientists are to be believed (and I think they are), and we really are heading into a mini ice age which is due to peak at around 2030, then in a few years time there's going to be a serious number of people with a serious amount of egg on their faces.

I can't wait :twisted:

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Brookwood

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 15:52

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While we are heading for a cyclic ice age the thing that is confusing the issue is the amount of ocean warming by undersea volcanic activity that is going on at the moment. So glaciers are moving faster because they are getting thicker (and heavier) but when they reach the sea it is warmer and breaking off larger chunks.

Warmer seas also release more essential CO2. The sea is a huge heat engine that will warm the air above it enormously but it is difficult to heat the sea up from above.

Scientists as usual pick the facts that suit their budget.

One paper today highlighted the people that would die in this country from the warmer climate without mention of the people who wouldn't die of hyperthermia during our warmer winters. And the reduction in carbon emissions because we all turn down our heating.

Better to scare people than reassure them, it sells more newspapers and keeps scientists in work.

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Pete317

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 16:21

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Brookwood wrote:

The sea is a huge heat engine that will warm the air above it enormously but it is difficult to heat the sea up from above.

Except they would have you believe that two degree rise in ocean temperature is caused by a half-degree rise in atmospheric temperature :roll:

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 16:49

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Pete317 wrote:

Brookwood wrote:

The sea is a huge heat engine that will warm the air above it enormously but it is difficult to heat the sea up from above.

Except they would have you believe that two degree rise in ocean temperature is caused by a half-degree rise in atmospheric temperature :roll:

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 16:51

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They had the usual numpty on the telly suggesting we should all go out and buy "green" hybrid cars.

Didn't say what to do with the ones we've got. :roll:

Or mention the fact that a family diesel can return better mpg (therefore emissions) in real-world driving. Or the extra resources required to produce and dispose of a hybrid car.

Hmmm... maybe he wasn't from T2000, mabe he was a Toyota sales rep.

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Brookwood

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 17:41

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They were talking about baby walruses (is that the plural?) this morning and a picture in paper of one stranded on an ice flo having been abandoned by mother. Mind you I am not really proficient at aging walruses but the picture actually looked like an old one or are they born with long tusks?

Talk about pluck the heart strings.

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Gixxer

Post subject: Re: Global Warming Mischief

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 19:44

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malcolmw wrote:

I was reading the paper which had reports of the dire predictions from the Government's Chief Scientist and warnings that we must cut emissions NOW.

Best that we ban all 4 wheel transport and put everyone on 2 wheeled sewing machines right now then :wink:

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botach

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 19:49

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HMM - once upon a time there was some bad news, and one civil servant ( or was it politician) said declared publiclly that this was a good time to "bury " unpopular news.

On that basis with the cash for titles hovering over political heads, doesn't it seem a bit co incidental that now is a good time to spout forth about global warming, ecological problems et all to divert away from the embaressing subject.

I smell a very large rodent in the timing of this eco panic

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 20:36

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Pete317 wrote:

my wife told me she was down at Tesco's and the price of diesel has gone up to 99.9p a litre?

Run it on red, unless you are driving a commercial vehicle then you will never get pulled for a tank dip.

And before anybody says "red f**ks your engine, that is complete & utter crap. The only diiference between red & "pump white" is the colour of the dye.

If red really did f**k your engine, do you honestly think they would be putting it in boats, JCB's etc with engines costing £5K plus on their own?

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 22:14

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Brookwood wrote:

They were talking about baby walruses (is that the plural?)

Walri? Walreese?

Dear Sir,

Please send me a walrus.

P.S. Please send me another walrus.

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anton

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 23:09

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Gixxer wrote:

Pete317 wrote:

my wife told me she was down at Tesco's and the price of diesel has gone up to 99.9p a litre?

a small conversion and you could run it on cooking oil, no tax at all

http://www.dieselveg.com/

but then again no... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2312521.stm
apparently recycling is criminal behavior

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anton

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 23:19

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plan "b"

Quote:

http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
Tax and legal issues
It is not illegal to use vegetable oil as fuel in the UK.
It is illegal to use anything for road vehicle fuel without paying duty on it. To pay duty on vegetable oil, you have to jump through a couple of legislative hoops. Here's what you have to do:

Register with Customs and Excise
Keep your reciepts
Fill in a monthly tax return
First, get notice 179E and form EX103 from HM Customs & Excise.
Fill in the EX103 declaring the purpose of your business as a private individual using vegetable oil as a motor vehile fuel and stating the description as jerrycan(s) marked SVO in porch/shed/wherever. Attach a letter explaining that the oil is a diesel quality liquid fuel produced from biomass or waste cooking oil, the ester content of which is not less than 96.5% by weight; and the sulphur content of which does not exceed 0.005% by weight. Explain that your feedstock is commercial cooking oil and/or waste cooking oil and give the following details:

They would be hard pushed to know exactly how much oil you had put in.

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Pete317

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 23:52

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"All cars on public roads must pay fuel tax"

So where does that leave electric and hydrogen-powered cars then?
If their fuel isn't taxed as road fuel, then why should cooking oil be?

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Gixxer

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 00:31

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Pete317 wrote:

"All cars on public roads must pay fuel tax"

And what happens when Mr F M Ondeo fails to pay his bill? :lol:

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Gixxer wrote:

Pete317 wrote:

my wife told me she was down at Tesco's and the price of diesel has gone up to 99.9p a litre?

Run it on red, unless you are driving a commercial vehicle then you will never get pulled for a tank dip.

Maybe if you do most of your driving in the city, but venture out past the streetlights and you'll find it's a different story. I know a few farmers who have removed the D badges from their cars so they don't get continually harrassed.

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Gizmo

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 21:29

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Pete317 wrote:

"All cars on public roads must pay fuel tax"

What about electric cars and the old veteran steam powered jalopies. Do you have to pay tax on the coal?

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Gixxer

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 21:39

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anton wrote:

a small conversion and you could run it on cooking oil, no tax at all

It's a little bit more than a "small" conversion.

The cost alone means you would have to keep the car for 2 years minimum to start seeing the benefit, and you still need to thin the cooking oil out when things get cold.
You are just as well off buying a £1000 cheapie and running it on red from day one.

Homer wrote:

Maybe if you do most of your driving in the city, but venture out past the streetlights and you'll find it's a different story.

A lot of my friends have been running on red since I have known them Homer, and they are still yet to feel the might of this shitty government trying to claim back duty in road fuel.

Just last week I was with a friend who was informed by his supplier that red had gone up to 42p per litre, he was most upset to hear this and the tirade lasted for a good 15 minutes about how we (as a nation) are being screwed :lol:

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Pete317

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 23:16

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Gizmo wrote:

Pete317 wrote:

"All cars on public roads must pay fuel tax"

What about electric cars and the old veteran steam powered jalopies. Do you have to pay tax on the coal?

You evidently didn't read any further than the first line of my posting, did you? :wink:

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