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Can anyone remind me of the proper terminology for this logical fallacy:

Person A: "Speed cameras help save the lives of children."

Person B: "I don't think speed cameras are a good idea."

Person A: "So you're happy to see children die on the roads then?"

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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Um...bollox?

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

I know that - but it's a line of argument you often encounter and I know it's a widely recognised logical fallacy, I'm trying to find out the correct name for it.

It's just the same as:

Person A: "The death penalty is an effective deterrent for murder."

Person B: "I don't think the death penalty a good idea."

Person A: "So you're happy to see people being murdered then?"

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

It looks like a Burden of Proof fallacy.

Have a look here Peter...http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

I don't know the name of that one off hand, but there's a fair catalogue here: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies

I've had a quick browse, but not found it yet...

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Paul Smith
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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Thanks, that's it

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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No it isn't - it's more like a straw man.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Non sequiter?

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CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

No, I think a straw man is where one person advances a distorted and extreme version of someone else's proposition.

Whereas burden of proof is where an unsubstantiated assertion is advanced as fact.

In a sense they are mirror images of each other.

Person A: "I think cameras in roadworks can cause more problems than they solve."

Person B: "So you're happy to see roadworkers killed by speeding motorists?"

is a straw man.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Does it not also contain an element of "false dilemma", in that it is presented in the form that there are only two possible outcomes - children are saved or killed - when in reality there are more options that aren't being considered

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CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

Had a similar Q&A with the SCP at the motorcycle show.

It started off by me saying I disagree with camer enforcement. They came back and said "so you think its OK to speed then"

One hour later we agreed to differ.............

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Speed camera policy Kills

Actually Sixy is closest I think. It's just bad maths

A implies B
A implies C

Does NOT imply a logical relationship between B and C

It is dangerous stuff!

Cars have paintwork
Cars kill people

Paintwork kills people? People have paintwork?

That site is the Safety Camera Partnership Bible !!!. Every argument & rationalisation I've ever seen them use is covered on that site.

Chapter 1 - Genesis
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... ation.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... cause.html

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

It's all because they no longer teach Venn Diagrams any more at school...

Absolutely! It verges on the Utter False Logic of:-

Quadrupeds have four limbs.
Cows have four limbs.
All quadrupeds are cows...

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

We could have a modern version of Scissors Paper Stone couldn't we - Scameras Speed and Chavs.

Scamers kill Speed, Speed thrills Chavs, Chavs burn Scameras

Or maybe Scameras kill speeders, speeders kill children, children kill Scameras

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed