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I thought I would have to respond to this.

Although you do see the odd biker riding like a complete tit as has been stated Darwin always wins out with these people.

But even given the shallow end of the gene pool a biker is vastly more likely to been involved in a collision with a car through no fault of there own.

Some drivers are aware of there surrounding and making allowances for other road users from moving over for bikers so they can pass to slowing down when seeing children playing on the pavement in case a child does something unexpected.

Sadly though there a dieing breed now days people are distracted by a myriad of things or simple just plain will not see so some pore biker ends up splattered all over there bonnet.

So with this in mind are you surprised bikers “rev the nuts of the bike” if it helps people know thy are there?

Is surprising bikers will position themselves so they have escape roots if the crap hits the fan?

And is it surprising if bikers see every car as some one that’s going to try and kill you?

Speaking for myself as a car driver of 17 years and a bike rider for only 1 year I will tell you it has made me a better driver. None of this crap about getting there quicker it’s about getting there at all. To do that on a bike you are just so much more aware of your surrounding every thing from avoiding manholes to myopic cagers intent on killing you.


Top every thing above off with a deep misunderstanding most drivers have about bikes from what we can and can’t do in the way of filtering how we have to take corners and the like and you will very quickly see why there is this opinion every thing a biker is doing is purely antisocial or dangerous.

That’s not to say there aren’t some idiots out there but the vast majority or bikers are doing there utmost to ride in a safest way and still make progress even if it is a very different from the way you would do the same in a car.


As for forward facing cameras not been able to target bike……kind of nice that

Nice response biggerjohn BUT it only compounds my view of bikers in general: Just because you CAN go faster than me in my little car doesn't mean that it's you RIGHT to do so.

If I were to sit behind an old lady who was pootling along an inch from her bumper revving my engine cos I couldn't get past how would you feel? You wouldn't care.

Now you're in the car with the old lady... Still don't care?

The old lady is your mum and I'm a base-ball cap wearing chav - want to get out the car and kick the cr@p out of me???

So why is it ok for bikers to do it to me when if I could, I would happily let them past?

I like to think I'm a courteous driver and as I've said throughout this thread I try and make as many "concessions" for bikers/other road users as possible BUT it strikes me that bikers in general think they have a God given right to progress faster than me just because they brought a motorbike.

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Finally, even when driving my car, I feel safer overtaking overthing in sight and not being forced to maintain a vigil on any particular vehicle for any length of time. By that I mean I find it very tiring to follow people, mimmicking their moves and slowing when they slow, speeding up again afterwards, wondering if they're changing their position on the road because of an obstacle I can't see because of their car, or whether they're moving for a better look. You're probably getting tired reading this.

That's why I prefer to get passed people, so that I can see for myself anything on the road, hazards ahead etc.

I should imagine that on a motorcycle, the rider is having to pay that much more attention anyway just to ride, plus all the stuff that I complained about above. Assuming I'm right, then I'd definately want to overtake all the cars I encountered, because once past, it removes some of the mental workload.

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Jamie, the Highway code is written so as to allow you to go faster than me if it is safe to do so hence the point of this site - no?

Nipping past me with about 1 inch between hitting me or cones at 60mph+ is, in my opinion not safe in any way hence my original argument.

BTW if you need to be childish enough to pick on my spelling/English then clearly you have no genuine argument.... Which by the way is spelt ARGUMENT and not ARGUEMENT ("By your arguement, you have no right to overtake a tractor ").

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Surely you'd be wearing a helmet

I'm flipping the argument and applying "biker logic" (what it's acceptable for a biker to do) to two cars, so being in a car I'd be able to wear whatever headgear suited (as long as it didn't impeed my vision).

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Well if I have no argument then neither does anyone else who has posted above and think's you're talking tripe.

Clearly the issue comes down to a serious difference in what you judge to be safe from inside your car, and what motorcyclists judge to be safe from astride their bikes.

I think there may also be substance to the previous suggestion that you're judgement of distance isn't too hot.

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Jamie, there's no need for tears, either come up with a valid point in response to my post or don't... If you can't think of anything I'd appreciate you not resorting to needlessly picking on my spelling on a Friday afternoon.

Does one person's "throw-away" comment prove that my judgement of distance is terrible then?

I must say that I joined this site with high hopes but so far few people are willing to see my side of the argument.

Clearly it's OK for bikers to do whatever they like....... I'm sorry I dared to question otherwise!

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I would also point out even if you would drive at a safe and appropriate speed for the condition all it takes is one car out off all the cars in front of you to drive slower and all are forced to drive slower.

Bikes on the other hand are more able to over take such obstacles and do so.


So now you answer me this what right have you to say what speed a motorbike can go just because you drive a car?

Its not a god given right it’s a factor of the road the rider the conditions and the traffic that will decide if a biker will go faster than you or not. Not the old lady in the car ahead that’s dint even know there was a second gear let alone how to use it.

Sorry more I read of your post a replies the more I think you are frustrated with been stuck in traffic time after time while watching bikers go past you. And even though now your nice to your fellow road users (big thank you for that by the way we could use more people like that on the roads) you slowly getting a little jealous.

And I can’t really blame you for that sitting in traffic sucks.


P.S. as for the granny comments it just goes to show how much you misunderstand bikers most of us are normal people doing normal jobs just trying to get from A to B and some times that will involve making sure some old duffer that probably haven’t see you/wouldn’t see you knows your there before they try to end your life with moronic driving.

Taking devils advocate stance - the bit of land we all travel on is called a road. Whether we drive a thing with 3/4/6/8/10/12/xx wheels we all use the road and hence are all road users .
We all have to co exist .In fact in days of yore , in times BC ( before cameras) we all did, bikers stopped to help out relient robin drivers, a bloke stopped at the side of the road would expect to see a few cars stopping to offer help.

That was the way it was when i (and possibly a lot more on here ) started driving.

We helped each other, we moved aside to let a faster car past.We passed on knowledge to each other.


WHY OH WHY CAN'T WE ALL ACT LIKE GROWN UPS AND RETURN TO THAT TIME ??

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Mullet. My comment about your judgement of distance was not intented as a dig. Nor was it intended to be 'throw away'. It was a serious but friendly question.

Jamie's comments about what you feel is safe from inside your car and what the biker feels is safe are valid. I can happily get through a space and be in complete control thoughout. From your viewpoint you might think I was chancing it or being wreckless, but I made it didn't I? And I wouldn't have committed to the move if I knew I was going to bite it.

I recon you need more time out on a bike mate. I'd take up Patch's extremely genourous offer if I were you.



Did you intend to leave out 2?

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Who's crying?

You didn't join this site with high hopes of anything useful.

You burst in ranting and raving about the two types of motorcyclists. Both types piss you off immensely and that's that.

You were met by a welcome, and an assurance that in most of our experiences, your claims are mostly not the case. Based upon the knowledge that most bikers have a much better idea of what's going on than the average car driver (that's you), some of the biker members tried to set the record straight about bikers in general.

You're complaining about us not seeing your point of view? Well, we tried, but you're still adament that you're right and all bikers are wrong. Afterall, all bikers fall into one of two bad categories....

Now your arguement has decended into a battle of rights. Sounds more like sour grapes that the bikers can press on and you're stuck.

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agree i belive it would be one hell of an eye opener and hell you may even like it)

Unless I too have misunderstood Mullet, I believe he was querying the safety of bikers always trying to overtake even when it's not safe to do so - i.e. when in roadworks with narrow cones? It is Friday afternoon gents - calm down!

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I got my first pillion ride last year from an HGV driver/biker/car driver friend of the family. Was only 1/2hr or so but I picked up so much. I loved it

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Have we got someone else winging about bikers trikling through traffic jams.
If traffic is stopped - so what - if you could fit wheels to the side of your car and slide sideways through a jam to keep moving - would you do it??

My only objection is when traffic is moving about 25 MPH - let the biker appear on the outside - i'll try and give him space , in any event - i do move across half a lane to let a bike past me at any speed (if i can )---i don't loke the bikers who think it's their divine right to try and slip between L2 and L3 on a slow moving Motorway - at that time i'm busy watching 4/6 vehicles in front to try and compensate for brake light bertie - trying to make out with his brake pedal, and cause a blackpool for no reason.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I'm always up for a laugh Sixy, so feel free to carry on taking the piss where appropiate.....the worst that will ever happen where the likes of yourself is concerned is that I'll buy you a drink & take the piss right back


Any original Windsor??


Now you have a brain, and you know the truth....alas a good 90% of the lemmings out there will believe all the shite about raping chickens & biting the heads off children


I don't have a clue what you are talking about

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

"raping chickens & biting the heads off children "


SH**E -now definately got to get a bike - now i knoiw why my youngest daughter took up biking( knew there must be more to life than just eating chicken) - HMM - why has my granddaughter still got a head though ??

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Oh sweet jesus no! The humanity!!



No idea mate, I've only met 'em a few times and don't talk about the club. I'll try to find out.



Hmm...raping chickens? I always imagined that back patch were, better, endowed than that

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Waitress, get me another chicken immediately...this one's split

We held at a BBQ a few years ago where one of our comprade's decided to perform an unatural act with a chicken (to completion). When he had finished, he threw the chicken straight back on the pile & mixed it up with all the others.....needless to say, nobody who had witnessed the act wanted chicken that day

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?